If you were a hot offensive-minded coaching candidate, would you want to coach this team?

[mcBradley]

I've mentioned this in other posts, but if the Ravens were to move on from Harbs and look for an offensive minded coach, would the Ravens be an attractive landing spot? Sure the organization has had strong leadership, sustained success, and a good fan base. But do they really have the chance to get a lot better on offense?

Fact is Joe gets paid Aaron Rodgers money, and he doesn't carry the offense like Aaron Rodgers does. I get that big QB contracts are a necessary evil in this day's NFL, but those contracts limit a team's ability to invest elsewhere. Like every team, the Ravens are going to hit on some free agents and draft picks and not on others. The great QBs can cover up a lot of deficiencies elsewhere, and therefore, don't kill their teams by commanding so much of the cap: Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, etc. But when your QB makes Brees' money and doesn't deliver Brees' numbers week in and week out, the whole team suffers.

I like Flacco, and he's been great in the playoffs. Whether he can ever be 2012 playoff Flacco again, who knows? He hasn't been the same since the injury, but he was better down the stretch this year. But he's not carrying the offense from week to week like a top QB. Because of that, the team can't even get into the playoffs. Sure the D let the team down on the last play Sunday. But they were also on the field for 50+ snaps IN THE FIRST HALF because the offense was a joke. I understand the Ravens don't have offensive playmakers. But they don't have cap space. Flacco takes up all that space. And he sucked most of the year. Then the other part of the year he was fine. Not great or even good; he was fine. You can win with fine. It's been done. But it's hard as hell to win with fine when you are paying fine like world-class. That severely limits your flexibility.

There are lots of changes the Ravens can make to try and get better in the off-season. But the biggest investment they've made is in Flacco. And he's not playing like a $25M man. If you were an offensive coach on the rise, would you jump at the challenge of trying to turn around an offense helmed by a 10-year veteran whose best quality is that he doesn't get frazzled in the playoffs? That's great if you can get to the playoffs. But as we've seen over the past several years, the Ravens haven't been able to surround Flacco with enough guys that can carry Flacco to the playoffs so he can do his thing. Yeah the FO hasn't hit on all their draft picks and signings. But no FO does. Guys are going to get injured. Such is life. Problem with the Ravens is there is no margin for error because Flacco's contract is such an albatross...

But whatever. Flacco World Order and all...

[BlackSunday]

As OC? Absolutely!

Expectations are so low going in that you can't look bad. Offense does badly, you get canned, but everyone will say: "What did you expect? He had nothing to work with." Offense does well, you go for a HC position, and everyone will say: "He made Joe Flacco look good! *Boggle*"

By no means a long-term gig, one way or the other, but, factoring in the exit strategy, it's a no-lose situation.

On the other hand, that isn't good for continuity.

BS

[GaTechRavens]

Expectations are so low going in that you can't look bad. Offense does badly, you get canned, but everyone will say: "What did you expect? He had nothing to work with." Offense does well, you go for a HC position, and everyone will say: "He made Joe Flacco look good! *Boggle*"

Expectations are so low that everyone here wanted MM fired almost immediately. The offense has finally started doing well in the last third of the season and no one cares, everyone still wants him fired anyway.

[BcRaven]

Expectations are so low that everyone here wanted MM fired almost immediately. The offense has finally started doing well in the last third of the season and no one cares, everyone still wants him fired anyway.

Don't count me among them. I was quite skeptical of Marty early on, but in the 2nd half of the season the Ravens were scoring a lot of points. As much as I wanted Pees to go, that's how much I want MM to stay. Add a couple of decent offensive players and 2018 will finally be a fun year to watch the Ravens... Bc

[srobert96]

As a HC and offensive minded coach would absolutely take this job. The only thing they would need is a commitment from the front office to invest in the offense. The offensive minded coach would not have to worry about the defensive side of the ball. The talent is there and with the right DC could improve on past performance. The offensive minded coach would look at the potential of the offense with just adding a few legit weapons to the mix. The offense came on in the 2nd half of the year with a makeshift oline and only really Mike Wallace at wr. The Oline has talent to build on when they get the injured players back. Collins looks like the real deal. Flacco has proven he can play in crunch time. This team needs a few weapons and some good coaching. There is no reason this team can't be like the Rams with the right coach.

[Yogidriver]

As a HC and offensive minded coach would absolutely take this job. The only thing they would need is a commitment from the front office to invest in the offense. The offensive minded coach would not have to worry about the defensive side of the ball. The talent is there and with the right DC could improve on past performance. The offensive minded coach would look at the potential of the offense with just adding a few legit weapons to the mix. The offense came on in the 2nd half of the year with a makeshift oline and only really Mike Wallace at wr. The Oline has talent to build on when they get the injured players back. Collins looks like the real deal. Flacco has proven he can play in crunch time. This team needs a few weapons and some good coaching. There is no reason this team can't be like the Rams with the right coach.

Except for the fact that they are in cap hell. Oh and they've never drafted a top WR since Ozzie has been GM.
So how in the heck would they supply this offensive guru with talent?? I think the Ravens philosophy, or lack thereof, towards offensive talent would definitely make a top coordinator hesitant.

That's before even mentioning having to get Flacco to buy into yet another new system.

I think there might be some better places to make your mark in the NFL than the Ravens.

[JimZipCode]

I think there might be some better places to make your mark in the NFL than the Ravens.

And worse, too.

Last year's Rams were an extremely attractive option, with a young talented QB who was getting bad coaching, and a lot of recent high draft picks that were poorly used. There are places with more DRAFT resources, so you can get started on your rebuild right away, with exactly the pieces you want to pick and a shit-ton of cap room – but you have to work for the Haslems in Cleveland. Oakland is attractive with Carr, but their ownership hasn't exactly displayed patience and resolve.

Every job is a mixed bag. If a situation is perfect, they don't need to hire a new coach. Here you have a steady hand from ownership, an organizational reputation for treating people with class, a strong personnel dept. We have cap problems, and unbalanced roster, and an uncuttable QB who may not take coaching as well as he should. But if you get a 3- or 4-year commitment, there's a good foundation for success here.

[srobert96]

Except for the fact that they are in cap hell. Oh and they've never drafted a top WR since Ozzie has been GM.
So how in the heck would they supply this offensive guru with talent?? I think the Ravens philosophy, or lack thereof, towards offensive talent would definitely make a top coordinator hesitant.

That's before even mentioning having to get Flacco to buy into yet another new system.

I think there might be some better places to make your mark in the NFL than the Ravens.

The Rams traded for Sammy Watkins. They drafted Cooper Kupp this past year. Prior to McVay getting there their drafts looked very similar to the Ravens. They missed on a bunch of high draft pick receivers. The Oline and Gurley were not all that productive. What situations look better? Arizona? No. No QB and not in the position to draft one. Fitz is close to retiring. Great RB. Raiders? Yes. Good young QB and good young WR in Cooper. Defense is not very good. Raiders may be more attractive only because of the importance of the QB and Carr being young. Giants: No. Closer to retirement than Joe. OBJ is gone. Great young TE and Good receiver in Shepherd. Defense is not very good. Oline is an absolute horror show. No running game. Detroit: Maybe. Stafford is good. Defense is bottom 5. Offense has been under a very good offensive mind in Cooter the last couple of years so an offensive minded coach is not going to add a whole lot to the situation. Bears: No. Trubisky was awful. Not a ton of talent anywhere. Defense is decent but not great. Colts: Luck may never be the same. Other than Luck the franchise is a train wreck. Jim Irsay is the owner.

Of all the openings right now the only one that would probably be considered better would be Oakland and maybe Detroit. Oakland would be #1 because with Carr, Cooper and Oline an offensive guru could make a huge impact. That is why Gruden is interested. Detroit may be better than Bmore but I would say probably not. Cooter who is an offensive guru has already turned around the offense. Stafford and the offense was struggling under Lombardi. When they made the change to Cooter Stafford and the offense took off. They really need a defensive guy to fix the defense to go with the offense. Stafford still has not shown up in the playoffs. 3 games and 3 losses.

I do agree that the coach coming in would need a commitment from the front office to devote some resources to the offense otherwise it would be tough sledding. But lets be honest if the Ravens jettison Harbaugh I expect that to come with the retirement of Ozzie as well. The front office philosophy on down would be different. Ozzie and Harbaugh have the great defense and run the ball mentality.

[The Excellector]

Yes. Joe Flacco is proven. If you are an offensive minded Head Coach, you are going to look at this team and ask:

Where is the QB Coach?
Why is there a Run Game coordinator of a completely different philosophy from the OC?
Where are the WRs?
Where are the TEs?
Where is the Offensive Line depth?

Then, you'll review tape and see that Flacco stills makes the clutch throws at the end of the game. Even without Flacco, you're going to pound the desk for fifty different things on the offense, from coaching to talent.

Now, if Ozzie can get with that or DeCosta takes over and he can get with that, then yes, you want to come here. Otherwise, you may only want to come here, because there are only 32 Head Coaching spots and you want one of them.

[Jazz1988]

Yes. Joe Flacco is proven. If you are an offensive minded Head Coach, you are going to look at this team and ask:


Why is there a Run Game coordinator of a completely different philosophy from the OC?

I don't get why this even bought up when it seems like Marty Morhinweg and Greg Roman worked quite well together last year. Greg Roman was obviously a pretty good hire by John Harbaugh and hopefully he's apart of The Ravens coaching staff for many years to come or atleast when next season starts.

[The Excellector]

I don't get why this even bought up when it seems like Marty Morhinweg and Greg Roman worked quite well together last year. Greg Roman was obviously a pretty good hire by John Harbaugh and hopefully he's apart of The Ravens coaching staff for many years to come or atleast when next season starts.

They exceeded a very low bar.

[WrongBaldy]

Yes. Joe Flacco is proven. If you are an offensive minded Head Coach, you are going to look at this team and ask:

Where is the QB Coach?
Why is there a Run Game coordinator of a completely different philosophy from the OC?
Where are the WRs?
Where are the TEs?
Where is the Offensive Line depth?

Then, you'll review tape and see that Flacco stills makes the clutch throws at the end of the game. Even without Flacco, you're going to pound the desk for fifty different things on the offense, from coaching to talent.

Now, if Ozzie can get with that or DeCosta takes over and he can get with that, then yes, you want to come here. Otherwise, you may only want to come here, because there are only 32 Head Coaching spots and you want one of them.

flacco is proven what? LOL