Machado

**mmi16** · 12-20-2017, 01:31 PM

Manny is trade bait for 2018 with his contract concluding after the 2018 season.

So long as Manny and his agent want to go to Free Agency, the O's will not get anywhere near fair value in a trade, as they won't sign a long term contract with a new team any more than they would with the O's. A trade deadline panic deal with another team (the one that is in a panic) will bring a better deal than anything now.

If Manny is at best a 1 year rental for other teams, the O's might as well use him for the one year THEY have left.

**Jeepercreepermd** · 02-12-2018, 11:41 AM

I agree 100 percent. I’m glad they didn’t take nothing in trade for him. However, it seems to have been squandered by the lack of serious offers to any quality FA pitchers.
The problem is that they see Bundy/Gausman as their #1 and #2 both have that potential but neither has shown it consistently over an entire season. So they feel that they really only have to fill out the rest of the rotation with #4’s to have a passable rotation.

So what’s going to happen (unless a miracle is delivered and Jake Arrietta decides to come play for the organization that wouldn’t allow him to throw his cutter)
Gausman and Bundy will be average to slightly above average, the rest of the rotation will be a platoon of 4A pitchers and guys who had a good half of a season like 5 years ago and they will fall out of contention in late August when the BP is completely fried.

**mmi16** · 06-04-2018, 05:57 PM

The only reason the O's have their 17 wins at this point in the season is Manny. Without Manny they could well have single digit wins.

**mmi16** · 07-20-2018, 08:59 PM

Manny is gone - who will step up and keep the team from the #1 Draft Choice.

**Trackmaster** · 07-31-2018, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by mmi16

The only reason the O's have their 17 wins at this point in the season is Manny. Without Manny they could well have single digit wins.

Highly doubtful. Even Babe Ruth or Barry Bonds with the juice tended to have 10-15 wins above replacement a season for an entire season. MM wasn't anywhere close to that level, so for his half season, he probably wasn't higher than 4-5 wins.

**mmi16** · 10-03-2018, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Trackmaster

Highly doubtful. Even Babe Ruth or Barry Bonds with the juice tended to have 10-15 wins above replacement a season for an entire season. MM wasn't anywhere close to that level, so for his half season, he probably wasn't higher than 4-5 wins.

Those you mention were valued for their offense - not their defense. So if Manny was responsible for 4-5 wins on offense, he was also responsible for 4-5 wins on defense.

**Trackmaster** · 10-10-2018, 09:36 AM

Nah, he averaged about 1-2 defensive win a season. Source:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...achama01.shtml

He was still the best fielding player in the league, but most people don't realize how little of an affect one player has on a game, and how even the players are. oWAR and dWAR represent the value created over a standard back-up MLB player who would take their place.

But the value that players create is this: 94 wins instead of 89 wins might not sound like much, but it could be the difference between watching the play-offs at home, or having to play in the WC game and missing out on home field advantage in the play-offs.

The thing to remember is that one or two MVP candidates added to your roster wont change you from a 100 loss team to a play-off contender.

**blueridgemtnman** · 11-01-2018, 06:12 PM

Looks like Manny has a few less suitors. No big surprise. Glad the O's got what they could, when they could. Cya Manny.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb...cid=spartanntp