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Thread: John Harbaugh over riding Oz?
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11-09-2017, 03:13 PM #26Veteran Poster
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Re: John Harbaugh over riding Oz?
No John is not overriding Oz. His coaching and philosophy is overriding potential talent/development of the players. The reason that it seems like John has a lot of clout is because he's got his bad coaching stink all over everything.
This franchise is circling the toilet bowl of mediocrity waiting to be flushed.
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11-09-2017, 03:19 PM #27Veteran Poster
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Re: John Harbaugh over riding Oz?
Jimmy Smith is arguably the best corner in football right now and has been hurt a lot when he started to get good. Also those guys you mentioned are HOF worthy talent. I dont know if theres another team in the league that has drafted that much talent since 2008 either.
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Re: John Harbaugh over riding Oz?
.... but i get what YOU'RE saying i
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11-09-2017, 03:24 PM #30Regular 1st Stringer
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11-09-2017, 03:28 PM #31Pro Bowl Poster
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Pollard is disgruntled because he was let go. He wasn't a cap casualty, only $1m. Every Super Bowl winning team deals with heavy turnover, which is part of why so many recent winners miss the playoffs the following year. Ray & Birk retired. Ed should have retired, but got paid well elsewhere and got cut that same season. Kruger, Ellerbe, Cary Williams all chased big money that they all also proved was unjustified. So of the 6 top departures, all were by player choice, none were forced out because Harbaugh wanted the Alpha's gone.
Now look what is left on the roster at this point and think to yourself, Pollard is a loud mouthed, 15 yard penalty waiting to happen. He's not a student of the game by any stretch. He even admits in that interview, "I never wanted to be a Hall of Fame Player, I just knock the piss out of people." Well news flash Bernard, that aspect of the game is going away. And when your personality is abrasive too? Well, if we're moving on from so many others, why not add you to the list?
I think he also has a very inflated view of himself as one of the leaders on that team. I think in his mind, he was on the same plane as Ray and Ed as far as leaders. That too I think hastened his departure. At least Ray and Ed could pull him aside and tell him to stfu. He says multiple times in that interview that the players ran the team, and I think he includes himself in that. No doubt Ray and Ed ran the defense. Him, not so much.
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11-09-2017, 03:44 PM #32
Re: John Harbaugh over riding Oz?
Burn it down
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11-09-2017, 03:47 PM #33
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11-09-2017, 03:47 PM #34
Re: John Harbaugh over riding Oz?
HIH hit the nail on the head.
I do think winning the SB gave him more influence. However, to say he overrides? Nah. Ozzie built this time. Harbaugh definitely has influence, but "override" just doesn't make sense to me."Cause if you ain’t pissed off for greatness, that just means you’re okay with being mediocre, and ain’t no man in here okay with just basic.”
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11-09-2017, 03:54 PM #35
Re: John Harbaugh over riding Oz?
People are putting waaaaaayyyyyyy too much thought into this.
Ozzie has missed (for the most part) the last few drafts. That's his fault and he needs to be held accountable for that.
Harbaugh's time with the team is up. His message has gotten old and stale. It happens with pretty much every HC/team after a period of time. It's time for a change of scenery for Harbaugh and a new direction for the Ravens.
Flacco has regressed as a QB when the organization thought he would take a step forward. That's his fault and he needs to be held accountable for that.
It's time to move on from all three. Unfortunately...it will be a few years before we can move on from Flacco. That shouldn't hold up moving forward though.
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11-09-2017, 04:00 PM #36
Re: John Harbaugh over riding Oz?
Hasn't decosta been running the drafts lately?
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