John Harbaugh over riding Oz?

**leachisabeast** · 11-09-2017, 02:15 PM

Benard Pollards recent interview certainly tells me that Harbaugh overrided Ozzie by cutting Pollard because he didnt want him on the team. Oz didnt want to cut him. This move kind of tells me that maybe there have been a lot of these decisions behind closed doors especially with who weve been drafting etc. Perhaps a lot of these guys have been Harbaugh guys which woulld explain why Oz goes from drafting more outspoken/alpha type players to selecting more reserved players who will fit under Harbs more.

Just a theory

**Money227** · 11-09-2017, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Benard Pollards recent interview certainly tells me that Harbaugh overrided Ozzie by cutting Pollard because he didnt want him on the team. Oz didnt want to cut him. This move kind of tells me that maybe there have been a lot of these decisions behind closed doors especially with who weve been drafting etc. Perhaps a lot of these guys have been Harbaugh guys which woulld explain why Oz goes from drafting more outspoken/alpha type players to selecting more reserved players who will fit under Harbs more.

Just a theory

There may be truth to this, but I'm certainly not trusting anything Bernard Pollard has to say.

**Jsmoove** · 11-09-2017, 02:29 PM

smh I heard that I was like wow, really John balls hang that low in the organization? Ozzie who has been here and constructed team after team, year after year, 2 superbowls just let this happen? So i wonder how many of these duds that are on the team are Ozzie or harbaugh's fault?

**T-Sizzle** · 11-09-2017, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Benard Pollards recent interview certainly tells me that Harbaugh overrided Ozzie by cutting Pollard because he didnt want him on the team. Oz didnt want to cut him. This move kind of tells me that maybe there have been a lot of these decisions behind closed doors especially with who weve been drafting etc. Perhaps a lot of these guys have been Harbaugh guys which woulld explain why Oz goes from drafting more outspoken/alpha type players to selecting more reserved players who will fit under Harbs more.

Just a theory

I'm not buying this at all... Ozzie has way too much pride and was here way before Harbaugh

**leachisabeast** · 11-09-2017, 02:31 PM

It also would seem like maybe Steve likes Harbs so much that hes allowing Harbs to have final say on decisions when it comes to players. And that theres no hope that he gets fired any time soon.

**T-Sizzle** · 11-09-2017, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

It also would seem like maybe Steve likes Harbs so much that hes allowing Harbs to have final say on decisions when it comes to players. And that theres no hope that he gets fired any time soon.

They're in love

**Bhcforlife** · 11-09-2017, 02:32 PM

I don't know that he "overrides" Oz but I do think his opinion carries a lot more weight post-SB than it did before. And as I and others have posted before, that is when player signings and drafting really took a nose dive, for the most part.

**leachisabeast** · 11-09-2017, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Bhcforlife

I don't know that he "overrides" Oz but I do think his opinion carries a lot more weight post-SB than it did before. And as I and others have posted before, that is when player signings and drafting really took a nose dive, for the most part.

This is true... our drafts between 08 and 12 were actually quite good when you look at who we drafted

Rice
Joe
Oher (average but was still a successful starter)
Torrey
KO
Jimmy
Pitta
Kruger

**Money227** · 11-09-2017, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

This is true... our drafts between 08 and 12 were actually quite good when you look at who we drafted

Rice
Joe
Oher (average but was still a successful starter)
Torrey
KO
Jimmy
Pitta
Kruger

Are these guys the best examples of alpha/outspoken players that Harbaugh didn't want anymore?

You know...I think we just had some seriously bad drafts. I wouldn't try and put some sort of narrative to it.

**rhapsody** · 11-09-2017, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

It also would seem like maybe Steve likes Harbs so much that hes allowing Harbs to have final say on decisions when it comes to players. And that theres no hope that he gets fired any time soon.

I think you are on to something which is impossible to break down or quantify. Ozzie likes and respects Harbs and said he values his input "every day of the year". I have the impression that Steve really likes Harbaugh and I would agree that H is not going to be fired any time soon. Steve said a few weeks ago in an interview that he did not see that the FO "was doing anything wrong", a statement I am sure he would stand by today.

I doubt very much Harbs has final say on decisions when it comes to players, but expect he would have considerable influence from time to time. How much is impossible to say.

**Goode05** · 11-09-2017, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Money227

Are these guys the best examples of alpha/outspoken players that Harbaugh didn't want anymore?

You know...I think we just had some seriously bad drafts. I wouldn't try and put some sort of narrative to it.

What?

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**sawraven1** · 11-09-2017, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by T-Sizzle

I'm not buying this at all... Ozzie has way too much pride and was here way before Harbaugh

How are you not buying it?

There is no mystery here that Since 2008 Ozzie has not drafted any real impact player. We have seen a few nince players, Jimmy SMith, Mosley etc... but outside of Ray Rice who was the last real pro bowler type player? The top rated player year after year at their respective position?

If you think Ozzie doesn't allow his head coaches input on players they want, you are fooling your self.

The local media has talked about this for years. Now we have players speaking publicly about.

Let me guess, you probably don't think there is a casting couch in Hollywood either right? LOL

How many players need to come forward and admit such before you start believing it????

Harbaugh and his ego is a problem plain and simple