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09-27-2017, 04:18 PM #1
And so it begins
Joel Ward, who is Canadian and one of about 30 black players currently in the NHL, told the San Jose Mercury News that protesting during "The Star Spangled Banner" is "definitely something I wouldn't cross out."
If you aren't going to respect your own anthem how can you expect anyone else to? America as the shining city on the hill is dead.
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Great, now it's become a fad. Kinda like twerking...
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09-27-2017, 04:23 PM #3
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09-27-2017, 09:27 PM #4
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funny enough, Ward is a Ravens fan
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09-28-2017, 02:35 AM #5
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You know Russia and NK are over there enjoying the shit out of all this bs that we are making worse.
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09-28-2017, 03:13 PM #6
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09-29-2017, 11:27 AM #7
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Whatever, if you want to have a real discussion about statistics and what needs to be done there are plenty of people on both the right and left willing to have that discussion.
But how are you supposed to have a discussion with someone with their fist in the air or who is kneeling during our anthem who can't even articulate what they want to get from kneeling other then world peace, end all wars, oh and end racism in America.
It's like those morons who held up bring our children home on twitter. It's all self gratification preening they want to bathe in the glowing praise of the left having done something when in fact they've done nothing.
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09-29-2017, 03:36 PM #8
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I suppose it's just assumed that you are able to watch the news and see the videos of black people being shot by police. If you aren't paying attention then you wouldn't understand why they are protesting. Some things you may want note if you are interested as to why the protests are happening:
Freddie Gray - Died after being taken into custody - No convictions
Walter Scott - Shot in the back while running away - No convictions for murder even after the policeman admitted guilt
Eric Harris - Shot while he was laying on the ground - Found guilty of second degree manslaughter, 4 years
Rumain Brisbon - Unarmed, shot while reaching for a bottle - No charges
Tamir Rice - 12 year old shot because he had a toy gun - No convictions
There's a lot more, it goes on and on and I suspect everyone knows it. People are dying, no one is taking responsibility for the deaths and yet everyone is angry because black athletes aren't standing for a striped cloth while a magical song plays in order to protect our freedoms.
It's a flag, a symbol of our freedom just like the national anthem. These athletes are exercising their rights to protest the actions of police that are affecting their freedoms to survive.
Seems pretty mild to me.Last edited by MyTurn; 09-29-2017 at 05:53 PM.
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09-29-2017, 05:03 PM #9Pro Bowl Poster
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The national FOP issued a letter calling out the NFL and the NFLPA asking them to the table. So, If the goal of the protests was to get the conversation started, congratulations. NOW DO SOMETHING!
Or shut up about it forever. This is your chance.
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09-29-2017, 05:55 PM #10
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09-29-2017, 08:01 PM #11Pro Bowl Poster
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My point being: the players have someone "on the other side" ready to sit down and talk. If this protest really was all about dealing with these issues, then get some people to the table and work on it.
If it isn't about that, then it was all noise. I truly hope it wasn't just noise.
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09-29-2017, 08:35 PM #12
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People get off for crimes we think they are guilty of all the time. Micheal Jackson got off. Bill Cosby got off. OJ Simpson got off. Someone in the UK recently got off because a judge ruled they had too much potential to go to jail eventhough she admitted to stabbing her BF.
Our justice system is messy and imperfect. Sometimes people like Zimmerman get off eventhough many including myself feel he shouldn't have but we are a nation of laws not vigilante justice.
Lets just explore your thought process here. You say African Americans are getting killed with confrontations with police which is certainly true but it's also true we have a process for that we have internal investigations. We have the DA office. We have grand juries. We now have body cameras. In many cases you mention charges were pursued and the juries found him not guilty.
So lets say you have a conversation with the FOP what exactly does that accomplish? Is there some sort of tactic you want changed because if these people didn't follow police procedures what is there to discuss? Do you think laws need to be changed so it's easier to convict officers?
Honestly, what I would like to see is a pilot program where people in these communities police themselves like we have with Tribal police of course in order for that to happen these people who are bitchin about police brutality would have to get off their arse and put their life on the line to make their community a safer place and not count on someone else to do it.
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