Flacco: What was the plan when he was drafted?

**JimZipCode** · 09-20-2017, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by bravens23

That's the term for a large portion of this generations QBs. Its what you call a guy who plays 15-20 years in the league and accumulates gaudy statistical output that people who lack context overvalue, while not really ever accomplishing the things that are of the highest value in this generation of players.

Matt Ryan, the reigning NFC champion? That's who we're downgrading right now?

**Goode05** · 09-20-2017, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by JimZipCode

I also read somewhere that Lynch did not take the step forward this year that everyone in Denver was planning/expecting/wanting. That he's been a disappointment so far.

But yeah, Semiens has been playing well.

He's leading the league in tds lol how's that possible? Good for you young man

**JimZipCode** · 09-20-2017, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Goode05

Zero chance Ryan COULD EVER go into Foxboro

Matt Ryan, who played his college ball at Boston College, could never play in Massachusetts?

Oooookkkaaayyyyyy.........

**Mark** · 09-20-2017, 09:02 AM

Ryan or Flacco going forward may be a closer call

**Goode05** · 09-20-2017, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by JimZipCode

Matt Ryan, who played his college ball at Boston College, could never play in Massachusetts?

Oooookkkaaayyyyyy.........

He's NEVER EVER won a playoff game on the road and you think he could go into Foxboro and win? Come on Man. He couldn't score a single point against the Giants and you think he could go into probably the toughest place in all of sports to play and win. No chance. No chance in hell

**JimZipCode** · 09-20-2017, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Purplenemesis

Could you imagine him going against those Steelers defenses that Flacco had to go against early in his career, 2, sometimes 3 times a season? I certainly can't.

Yeah, Matt Ryan could never have put up better performances than these:

2008 AFC Champship: 13 of 30 for 141 yds, zero TDs 3 INTs
2009 Divisional Round: 20 of 35 for 189 yds, zero TDs 2 INTs
2010 Wildcard Round in Foxboro: 4 of 20 for 30 yds, zero TDs 1 INT (a game we WON!)
2010 Divisional Round: 16 of 30 for 125 yds, 1 TD 1 INTs

Only a real winner could perform adequately in those games.

**JimZipCode** · 09-20-2017, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan

I'd argue If Flacco got Roddy White, Tony Gonzales and Julio Jones his entire career, he'd put up great stats too. Its not like the falcons havent gotten good players.

Yeah, and I'd argue that if Ryan got Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata et al his entire career, he'd put up a great record too.

It doesn't cut only one way. One player had a great defense for his first 5 years in the league, probably top 2 for the whole span, and got to go to the playoffs every year. The other didn't.

**Goode05** · 09-20-2017, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by JimZipCode

Yeah, and I'd argue that if Ryan got Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata et al his entire career, he'd put up a great record too.

It doesn't cut only one way. One player had a great defense for his first 5 years in the league, probably top 2 for the whole span, and got to go to the playoffs every year. The other didn't.

When has he ever won outside his precious dome?

**JimZipCode** · 09-20-2017, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan

Rivers and Ryan are great during regular season games, but they simply find a way to lose in key games. They are the opposite of clutch.

Right. For example, Philip Rivers found a way for Marlon Macree to fumble that INT return in the playoffs against the Patriots. Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger would have made the DB keep possession of the ball.

**JimZipCode** · 09-20-2017, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Goode05

When has he ever won outside his precious dome?

I don't know.

When has he ever had a great D and spec teams around him?

**Goode05** · 09-20-2017, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by JimZipCode

Yeah, Matt Ryan could never have put up better performances than these:

2008 AFC Champship: 13 of 30 for 141 yds, zero TDs 3 INTs
2009 Divisional Round: 20 of 35 for 189 yds, zero TDs 2 INTs
2010 Wildcard Round in Foxboro: 4 of 20 for 30 yds, zero TDs 1 INT (a game we WON!)
2010 Divisional Round: 16 of 30 for 125 yds, 1 TD 1 INTs

Only a real winner could perform adequately in those games.

That would have required him not to go ONE N DONE his first three shots. He couldn't score any points against a Giants d with Julio white Gonzalez I'm sure he would have shattered records with Mason and Heap or Boldin and houz at Pittsburgh