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    Re: UPDATE: If The Season Started Today Ravens' Cap Space Would be $845K



    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    Very true -- certainly recently. But it has been the exception rather than the rule for this franchise. Let's hope it continues to be the exception.
    Yeah, that's what I'm hoping as well. A few solid drafts will do wonders for the cap down the road.





  2. #110

    Re: UPDATE: If The Season Started Today Ravens' Cap Space Would be $845K

    There are plenty of good teams with a lot of cap space.

    Nobody is advocating for us to have $60 million like the teams mentioned. That's silly.

    But almost 3/4th's of the league had at least $20+ million in space at the start of the league year...and that's without doing moves like we had to do to get more. The 2 teams in the Superbowl had almost $30 million+ under at the start of the league year if I recall correctly. You can be competitive and win a lot of games without bumping right up against the cap every year.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.





  3. #111

    Re: UPDATE: If The Season Started Today Ravens' Cap Space Would be $845K

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    There are plenty of good teams with a lot of cap space.

    Nobody is advocating for us to have $60 million like the teams mentioned. That's silly.

    But almost 3/4th's of the league had at least $20+ million in space at the start of the league year...and that's without doing moves like we had to do to get more. The 2 teams in the Superbowl had almost $30 million+ under at the start of the league year if I recall correctly. You can be competitive and win a lot of games without bumping right up against the cap every year.
    You're not really looking at it the right way though. How much you had to spend when the league year opened is just a product of 1. contracts you didn't renew when they expired from the prior season or 2. players you already cut.

    The Falcons spent pretty much right up to the cap in 2016... they only rolled over just a little under $1M into the 2017 cap year. The Patriots rolled over $5.3M, which is a pretty hefty sum, except even the Ravens rolled over like $2.5M, and $5.3M was actually about middle of the pack league wide.

    If you want to understand why the Patriots managed to go from rolling over $5M in cap space, to having like $20-30M in cap space by the time the year began, all you have to do is look at the UFAs they didn't resign:

    Jabaal Sheard: $6.8M cap hit in 2016, playing elsewhere in 2017
    Martellus Bennett: $5.2M cap hit in 2016, playing elsewhere in 2017
    Chris Long: $2.4M cap hit in 2016, playing elsewhere in 2017
    Another $2M or so when they cut Vollmer right around the new league year point.

    I mean they freed up like $14M just by cutting or non-retaining three players who probably weren't even that valuable to them anyway (Vollmer missed the whole 2016 season I believe).

    Again, I don't personally consider that "cap flexibility". I consider that having a list of highly paid FAs who you don't resign for whatever reason. In the Patriots case, it likely wasn't because of a lack of cap space.

    Look at it this way...

    There were 14 teams who rolled over more than $6M in cap space from the 2016 to 2017 year. Of those, only 3 made the playoffs. Those were the Raiders (a bunch of really good players still on rookie deals), the Packers (a team that's always great with the cap), and the Dolphins (loosely described as a playoff team). I would also point out that none of those teams had more than $9M in carryover.

    The teams that you think didn't spend that much didn't... the Browns ($50M), the Jags ($39M) and the 49ers ($39M). And their records reflected that (among other problems, obviously).

    Teams that had $5M or less... Chiefs, Texans, Lions, Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys, Seahawks, Giants, Falcons





  4. #112

    Re: UPDATE: If The Season Started Today Ravens' Cap Space Would be $845K

    Quote Originally Posted by bravens23 View Post
    You're not really looking at it the right way though. How much you had to spend when the league year opened is just a product of 1. contracts you didn't renew when they expired from the prior season or 2. players you already cut.

    The Falcons spent pretty much right up to the cap in 2016... they only rolled over just a little under $1M into the 2017 cap year. The Patriots rolled over $5.3M, which is a pretty hefty sum, except even the Ravens rolled over like $2.5M, and $5.3M was actually about middle of the pack league wide.

    If you want to understand why the Patriots managed to go from rolling over $5M in cap space, to having like $20-30M in cap space by the time the year began, all you have to do is look at the UFAs they didn't resign:

    Jabaal Sheard: $6.8M cap hit in 2016, playing elsewhere in 2017
    Martellus Bennett: $5.2M cap hit in 2016, playing elsewhere in 2017
    Chris Long: $2.4M cap hit in 2016, playing elsewhere in 2017
    Another $2M or so when they cut Vollmer right around the new league year point.

    I mean they freed up like $14M just by cutting or non-retaining three players who probably weren't even that valuable to them anyway (Vollmer missed the whole 2016 season I believe).

    Again, I don't personally consider that "cap flexibility". I consider that having a list of highly paid FAs who you don't resign for whatever reason. In the Patriots case, it likely wasn't because of a lack of cap space.

    Look at it this way...

    There were 14 teams who rolled over more than $6M in cap space from the 2016 to 2017 year. Of those, only 3 made the playoffs. Those were the Raiders (a bunch of really good players still on rookie deals), the Packers (a team that's always great with the cap), and the Dolphins (loosely described as a playoff team). I would also point out that none of those teams had more than $9M in carryover.

    The teams that you think didn't spend that much didn't... the Browns ($50M), the Jags ($39M) and the 49ers ($39M). And their records reflected that (among other problems, obviously).

    Teams that had $5M or less... Chiefs, Texans, Lions, Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys, Seahawks, Giants, Falcons
    You are not looking at it the right way. The reason why the Ravens are in cap hell is because they have been one of the worst at managing the cap thus they have the highest amount of dead money in 2017. The Ravens have 18m in dead money this year compared to 1m by the Patriots or even 6m by the Steelers.
    The Cowboys were the only playoff team from last year that has more than 10m in dead money and that is because of the unusual retirement of Romo.

    The Ravens sure could use 12-15m in cap space to use on players that would contribute this year. Maybe they would have been able to sign Wagner. Ravens really need to get their cap under control next year.





  5. #113

    Re: UPDATE: If The Season Started Today Ravens' Cap Space Would be $845K

    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    You are not looking at it the right way. The reason why the Ravens are in cap hell is because they have been one of the worst at managing the cap thus they have the highest amount of dead money in 2017. The Ravens have 18m in dead money this year compared to 1m by the Patriots or even 6m by the Steelers.
    The Cowboys were the only playoff team from last year that has more than 10m in dead money and that is because of the unusual retirement of Romo.

    The Ravens sure could use 12-15m in cap space to use on players that would contribute this year. Maybe they would have been able to sign Wagner. Ravens really need to get their cap under control next year.
    Not really. For starters, dead money isn't nearly the factor that most fans think it is.

    By definition, its a sunk cost. And in most cases, its a cost that you paid years ago.

    In fact, if you go back and actually look historically (especially since the explosion of the salary cap), there's practically no correlation league-wide between teams with a lot of dead money and on-field success (i.e. Wins and Losses).

    In fact, lets look recently...

    In 2016, the Atlanta Falcons, a SB team, were 3rd in the league in total Dead Money, with just under $26M. The Patriots, who won the SB, were in the top 10, coming in with $17.5M.

    Now you could say "OK, but that's a small sample size". OK, fine. You could show that teams like Dallas and GB were in the bottom 5 in dead money last season, which is true. But then again, so was Cincinnati and Jacksonville. So what does that tell us really?

    You can frankly pick any year you want and will see that there's no correlation between Dead Money and winning football teams. You'll find a bunch of playoff teams above the league average, and a bunch below. The Patriots have had north of $15M in dead money by the end of every single season since 2012.

    Now if we really want to get down to the Ravens narrative of always having a bunch of dead money, we can. Frankly, its a narrative that doesn't hold much weight. Since 2013, if you strip out the Ray Rice release (which isn't something any team can really account for), we're average across the league in dead money.

    2013: $17.5M dead money (9th). Average was $14.8M
    2014: $14.9M dead money (16th). Average was $14.6M
    2015: $24M dead money (6th). Average was $17.2M
    2016: $15.3M dead money (14th). Average was $15.5M

    So the league average over the last four years is $15.5M in dead money per year, and we've had $17.9M. In total, that's $9.6M more.

    For those keeping track at home, the total cap space that Rice took up in 2014 and 2015 amounts to close to $16M. So if you exclude him as a "rare item", we would be about $6M under the league average in dead money over the last four years.

    Hardly warrants the narrative of "always have a ton of dead money".





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