Ravens spend way more cap money on offense than defense

**AlbertN** · 05-13-2017, 10:36 AM

According to OverTheCap (https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/baltimore-ravens), the Ravens this year have spent $84.9 million dollars on offense, $59 million on defense, and $8.9 million on special teams. The ratio of offensive spending to to defensive spending is 1.44.

How does that affect the narrative that the Ravens ignore offense at the expense of defense? I'm not trying to be contentious and I see the holes in the offense as much as anyone. I'm just curious as to the responses.

For reference, here are the ratios for some other teams. Pittsburgh: 1.8, New England: 1.39, Denver: 0.76, Seattle: 0.9, Cincinnati: 1.17. All in all, 13 teams have spent more than us on offense so we're right in the middle of the pack as far as spending goes.

Albert

**wickedsolo** · 05-13-2017, 10:39 AM

That's a misleading comparison point simply because of Joe's contract. You can't look at offense vs defense spending in a vacuum. Context matters.

I think the true investment comparison should be added free agents and draft capital, which is clearly skewed towards the defense.

**GOTA** · 05-13-2017, 10:42 AM

You have highest QB number in the NFL. Of course it's going to push the offense number higher than the defense number. No player on the team has a cap number that's even half of what Joe Flacco gets.

**AlbertN** · 05-13-2017, 10:53 AM

The quarterback is part of the offense, so I do think it does count towards total spending. Still, I took top 5 teams that spent the most on their quarterback this year (excluding Dallas because of the Tony Romo dead money situation). It came out to about $92 million. A bit higher than the ravens, but not absurdly higher.

**Goode05** · 05-13-2017, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by MontibelloValhalla

Those are cold hard facts that the FWO and other apologists for Joe Flacco seem to ignore. We have spent too much money on that side of the ball with little ROI. Starts from the top of the offense and unfortunately trickles down.

Law Firm of McCauley, Dickey and McMillan.

I'd say Flacco guiding this group of misfits to middle of the road is money well spent.

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**bt12483** · 05-13-2017, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by AlbertN

The quarterback is part of the offense, so I do think it does count towards total spending. Still, I took top 5 teams that spent the most on their quarterback this year (excluding Dallas because of the Tony Romo dead money situation). It came out to about $92 million. A bit higher than the ravens, but not absurdly higher.

Of course it "counts."

The context that you seem to be missing is that there is no corresponding "QB" position on the defense that would even out the payscales.

The closest "QB of the defense" is a guy like Von Miller at like $17M per, and even that isn't top level QB pay. Even at $17M, when comparing that to QB salaries, you are talking about at least a 25% premium for the QB of the offense with respect to the "QB of the defense".

In other words, because the QB position has an inherently higher cost, it inflates offensive spending.

**bt12483** · 05-13-2017, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by MontibelloValhalla

And I would tell you that Tyrod Taylor could have done the same thing for a fraction of the 20 million paid to Joe. Flacco needs support, he's not the kind of Qb that can carry an offense.

Law Firm of McCauley, Dickey and McMillan.

Every QB needs support.

That's why the Steelers drafted Juju in rd 2 despite Brown and Bryant and Coates.

That's why GB added Bennett.

That's why NE traded for Cooks.

That's why NYG added Marshall and Engram.

That's why NO added Kamara.

Should I continue????????????????

**bt12483** · 05-13-2017, 11:33 AM

Why is it always people with like 100 posts or less that have the worst takes?

Two in this very thread...

**bt12483** · 05-13-2017, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by MontibelloValhalla

We are talking about cap dollars not draft capital.

Law Firm of McCauley, Dickey and McMillan.

Are you dense?

Or just that intellectually dishonest??

Andrew Luck
$24,594,000

Drew Brees
$24,250,000

Kirk Cousins
$23,943,600

Joe Flacco
$22,133,333

Aaron Rodgers
$22,000,000

Russell Wilson
$21,900,000

Ben Roethlisberger
$21,850,000

Carson Palmer
$21,000,000

Eli Manning
$21,000,000

Philip Rivers
$20,812,500

Cam Newton
$20,760,000

Matt Ryan
$20,750,000

Tom Brady
$20,500,000

ALL OF THE ABOVE QB'S MAKE $20M OR MORE, AND ALL GET "SUPPORTED"

Rivers got Mike Williams
Eli got Marshall and Engram
Brady got Cooks
Ben got Juju
Rodgers got Bennett
Cam got McCaffrey and Samuel
I could go ON and ON and ON and ON and ON and ON

So your implication that QBs that get paid a lot shouldn't need much support is DEAD FUCKING WRONG. And it is factually not true throughout the league.

Stop bringing it up. It will always be wrong.

And if you keep bringing it up, then you are just the newest troll (as you are quickly proving).

**GaTechRavens** · 05-13-2017, 11:53 AM

Y'all realize the offensive cap number is still higher even when you take out Flacco's salary, right?

**bt12483** · 05-13-2017, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by GaTechRavens

Y'all realize the offensive cap number is still higher even when you take out Flacco's salary, right?

Which likely directly relates to the average age of the offense compared to the average age of the defense.

Older players don't have cheap rookie contract numbers. Here's just a sampling:

Older players on offense
82 Watson, Benjamin 36
4 Koch, Sam 34
73 Yanda, Marshal 32
5 Flacco, Joe 32
46 Cox, Morgan 31
88 Pitta, Dennis 31
17 Wallace, Mike 30

Avg age: 32.3

55 Suggs, Terrell 34
32 Weddle, Eric 32
21 Webb, Lardarius 31
35 Arrington, Kyle 30
24 Carr, Brandon 30
22 Smith, Jimmy 28
98 Williams, Brandon 28

Avg age: 30.4

Context matters people.

**Shutdown#21** · 05-13-2017, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by bt12483

Are you dense?

Or just that intellectually dishonest??

Andrew Luck
$24,594,000

Drew Brees
$24,250,000

Kirk Cousins
$23,943,600

Joe Flacco
$22,133,333

Aaron Rodgers
$22,000,000

Russell Wilson
$21,900,000

Ben Roethlisberger
$21,850,000

Carson Palmer
$21,000,000

Eli Manning
$21,000,000

Philip Rivers
$20,812,500

Cam Newton
$20,760,000

Matt Ryan
$20,750,000

Tom Brady
$20,500,000

ALL OF THE ABOVE QB'S MAKE $20M OR MORE, AND ALL GET "SUPPORTED"

Rivers got Mike Williams
Eli got Marshall and Engram
Brady got Cooks
Ben got Juju
Rodgers got Bennett
Cam got McCaffrey and Samuel
I could go ON and ON and ON and ON and ON and ON

So your implication that QBs that get paid a lot shouldn't need much support is DEAD FUCKING WRONG. And it is factually not true throughout the league.

Stop bringing it up. It will always be wrong.

And if you keep bringing it up, then you are just the newest troll (as you are quickly proving).

*in Morgan Freeman voice* He's telling the truth you know

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