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    What we have now vs. What we'll have by season's end.

    We've now criticized the loss to it's end and everyone involved. There are some issues that will can reasonably expect to be fixed over time and others more alarming.

    What do we as fans think we're going to have in this Ravens team by season's end, compared to what we have now?

    I think that, by season's end, Marc Trestman may not have the WRs on the outside for what he likes to run, but that he will have the TEs. As the Ravens look for pass catchers to stand out, Maxx Williams will have no choice, but to get more opportunities as the season moves forward. I think he will develop into the main TE that they flex out. I believe that Gilmore will learn from Sunday and will continue to improve. Not necessarily to the point that he's separating from anybody, but in that he'll begin to bring down more tough catches. I do not expect Flacco to hesitate to go to him. We all have our opinions about that last Int, but the beauty of this team is that Gilmore is somewhere right now thinking that he should have come up with it and Flacco is somewhere thinking that he should have thrown it deeper. Both will work to improve.

    I also expect James Hurst to improve. That was an extremely tough draw to be thrown into and it's not as if it'll be the last, but with more work I could see him holding his own much better in the future. The talent is there, it's just a matter of putting it together.

    The Ravens will have the backs. Once Buck Allen gets the butterflies out of his system, I can see him doing more damage between the tackles, along with Taliaferro. He might lose a fumble or two along the way, but I can see what the Ravens saw in him.

    I'll hold back in speaking on the offensive line. Give it a few more games to see what the team's vision for the line is and how well it is executed.

    The alarming issue is at WR, because even when Perriman comes back, he's a rookie. One can look to examples such as Anquan Boldin or Odell Beckham Jr, but they were both more pro-ready than Perriman. Campanaro can do some damage from the slot. Steve Smith should be fine most weeks. However, they still lack anyone whose going to beat a high caliber CB or even give one problems. Marlon Brown has a good opportunity to come in and step up, but he's traditionally done most of his damage from the slot as well.
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    Re: What we have now vs. What we'll have by season's end.

    One game at a time. Injuries can rear it's ugly head at any time(Suggs). Let's just hope the Ravens play close games and win more then they lose(9-7). If the players drafted don't succeed, the FO has to find players that can thru the draft,FA, or trades. Wasting a QB like Flacco I will be as bad as wasting the defense the Ravens had after winning their 1st SB.

    How ever the season turns out, it is what it is. No one on RSR can change that with their views and opinions. We're just loyal followers, LOL.





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    Re: What we have now vs. What we'll have by season's end.

    By the end of the season,either Taliaferro or Allen will have the starting job. At the very least, Perriman will have a strong finish to the season to give the team something to look forward to (though if the other WRs are as bad as everyone says, he might win the #2 job based off of talent alone). I agree with the OP on the TEs and Hurst.
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    Re: What we have now vs. What we'll have by season's end.

    Great presentation, Pointed One.

    I have a feeling that Crockett is going to be more of a contributor than Williams. I just sense that he is the harder player and that he will learn from the last play that he has to be physical as a TE. I do not see him getting the separation, so he has to be more physical to get to the ball and keep the INT's down. For some reason, I think he can do that and will make progress enough to gain confidence and give Joe the incentive to throw there.

    On the other hand, I just think that Maxx is too young yet to develop into what I expect him eventually to be. IMHO he will go through a lot of growing pains that will drive Joe, Marc, John and the fans nuts. He will be a force at times and then go backwards at times. I have a feeling that Nick Boyle will make more progress as the season goes on, albeit at a slow pace, than Williams.

    And I am paying more attention to the TE's because I have a feeling that it will be on them and the RB's (both on the ground and in the air) to compensate for the WR weakness. This year will be one that will test Trestman's patience with the play-calling, since he will have one piece of the passing plan that will be lacking.
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    Re: What we have now vs. What we'll have by season's end.

    I expect a market correction. I certainly don't expect the defense to be as dominant as it was Sunday in every game. I also don't expect the offense to be as inept.

    DEFENSE: The loss of Sizzle hurts -- a lot. I'm not going to lie. Assuming we stay healthy, I expect Jimmy Smith to be a Pro Bowl lockdown corner. With the safety play improved, plus healthier Webby and the addition of Arrington, what we saw from the secondary actually is indicative of things to come. The front seven, however, will not be as good when they have to play an average or above-average line. I still believe they are an above-average group, and hopefully they can continue to be dominant against the run. But I do not expect them to match Sunday's pass rush, or last season's pass rush. You can't just replace what Sizzle and McPhee provided. In games against good QB's with solid lines, we will get picked apart.

    OFFENSE: I chalk a lot of the line problems up last weekend to two things: rust from injured guys (Wagner, KO, Hurst) and facing a fresh defensive line including the best pass-rushing tandem in the NFL. (Having our starting LT go out after six snaps didn't help either.) I fully expect this line to round into form and again be one of the better units in the league. That does a lot of things. It opens up the run game, bringing guys down in the box. It means the blitz won't always get home, at least not as quickly. And if we can get a solid running game going and give Joe a little time, even our sub-par receiving corps will find ways to get open. Also, Perriman will play sooner or later, and when he does, he changes the way defenses have to play us just by virtue of his speed.
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    Re: What we have now vs. What we'll have by season's end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Offense View Post
    And I am paying more attention to the TE's because I have a feeling that it will be on them and the RB's (both on the ground and in the air) to compensate for the WR weakness. This year will be one that will test Trestman's patience with the play-calling, since he will have one piece of the passing plan that will be lacking.
    You kind of get the feeling that this might have been the plan all along even if Perriman was healthy and playing.
    You're only going to go for the deep shot a couple times a game which by all accounts was why he was drafted...to replace what Torrey Smith brought.

    Running that type of offense requires much more use of the middle of the field with screens, slants, etc.

    To me the perplexing part about last week was the lack of using a lot of these types of plays, particularly with the way the line played and how much heat Flacco was under.
    Not having Campanaro in there running these quick slant type routes (Wes Welker type stuff) in attempt to back off some of that heat and possibly even hit some big yac plays was even more perplexing.

    They're almost going to have to do this type of stuff with no deep speed threat and receivers that seemingly don't get a lot of separation and a line that (at least last week) can't give enough time to allow Flacco to feel comfortable to go through progressions.

    Like you said, key here will be how quick Trestman takes to adjust the game plans and calls to adapt to what we saw or if we just stay status quo to see if it was just the line having a bad day or severely struggling against one defensive unit of extremely high quality.
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    Re: What we have now vs. What we'll have by season's end.

    now that we have beaten sunday's loss to death, really the Oline have not had all its starters together playing since training camp and that has played a major role in their dysfunction on sunday,t hey have not had time to gel, granted its the same unit but you could the guys who missed time were rusty as all can be, they will improve but these guys have to stay healthy they just have to its the only key to success for this offense its the only strong part of this unit outside of Flacco, in order for everything to work they have to be healthy and play better. I know since the Harbaugh era they don't like thrusting rookies into larger roles and like to "nurse" these young guys to game speed, but they have to start feeding these young guys more, there will be growing pains of course but they have to find ways to get guys like Waller and Maxx the ball, also having Boyle out there won't hurt, use what you got, your TE's are probably the bread and butter right get them involved somehow, get Waller in some mis-match situations and see what he can do.
    Defense wise, I am not sure what to expect with Suggs gone, Babin is a stop gap don't know what he has left, but it will be by committee as we all expect. If the play of defense is any indication of how they will play for the season I am happy





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    Re: What we have now vs. What we'll have by season's end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Offense View Post
    Great presentation, Pointed One.

    I have a feeling that Crockett is going to be more of a contributor than Williams. I just sense that he is the harder player and that he will learn from the last play that he has to be physical as a TE. I do not see him getting the separation, so he has to be more physical to get to the ball and keep the INT's down. For some reason, I think he can do that and will make progress enough to gain confidence and give Joe the incentive to throw there.

    On the other hand, I just think that Maxx is too young yet to develop into what I expect him eventually to be. IMHO he will go through a lot of growing pains that will drive Joe, Marc, John and the fans nuts. He will be a force at times and then go backwards at times. I have a feeling that Nick Boyle will make more progress as the season goes on, albeit at a slow pace, than Williams.

    And I am paying more attention to the TE's because I have a feeling that it will be on them and the RB's (both on the ground and in the air) to compensate for the WR weakness. This year will be one that will test Trestman's patience with the play-calling, since he will have one piece of the passing plan that will be lacking.
    I agree with most of all the things that are being said here.
    My one big problem on Sunday, on the offensive side, was the lack of assessing what was happening and adapting. Joe could have been seriously injured, especially from that horsecollar-like tackle.
    Both tackles needed help and the offense was not moving and he was getting killed.
    To me, it was obvious, moving players in, to chip, would have been the knee jerk reaction to wanting our QB to stand up for more than 3 seconds.
    Our receivers didn't really have time to gain separation, but we will never know, because the blocking never changed upfront. Moving two TEs in off the tackles would have condensed the playing field, but Joe would have had more time to operate. Maybe goods things could have happened.
    Because frankly, if I am any defensive coordinator who is about to face the Ravens, I will play exactly the same way until the Ravens show they will change.

    I am one of those that criticize Pees from time to time, and his prevent defense drives me nuts, but he called a great game Sunday, except for those prevent lapses. I will officially give Pees props and I will shut up about him...at least for awhile.

    I will add though, I think the young guys need to play. They need to get more experience and Joe needs to grow comfortable with them. These young guys can play. It is up to the OC to put them in positions to succeed even if it baby steps. Williams has talent, Boyles is tough as nails, Waller is a tree, use all of them. Mix and match. While keeping groupings simple for the new players, you can make matchup nightmares for defenses that have no tape on these guys. Build some confidence and more forward.
    Get them in the game.
    Heck, Waller and Brown or Williams in a triplets formation with either Camp or SSR behind them would make it difficult to locate those little guys.
    I am sure, SSR would like a big escort on the outside.
    Just saying, it shouldn't be so hard to scheme when you have receivers of all sizes and skill sets available.





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    Re: What we have now vs. What we'll have by season's end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens44 View Post
    I agree with most of all the things that are being said here.
    My one big problem on Sunday, on the offensive side, was the lack of assessing what was happening and adapting. Joe could have been seriously injured, especially from that horsecollar-like tackle.
    Both tackles needed help and the offense was not moving and he was getting killed.
    To me, it was obvious, moving players in, to chip, would have been the knee jerk reaction to wanting our QB to stand up for more than 3 seconds.
    Our receivers didn't really have time to gain separation, but we will never know, because the blocking never changed upfront. Moving two TEs in off the tackles would have condensed the playing field, but Joe would have had more time to operate. Maybe goods things could have happened.
    Because frankly, if I am any defensive coordinator who is about to face the Ravens, I will play exactly the same way until the Ravens show they will change.

    I am one of those that criticize Pees from time to time, and his prevent defense drives me nuts, but he called a great game Sunday, except for those prevent lapses. I will officially give Pees props and I will shut up about him...at least for awhile.

    I will add though, I think the young guys need to play. They need to get more experience and Joe needs to grow comfortable with them. These young guys can play. It is up to the OC to put them in positions to succeed even if it baby steps. Williams has talent, Boyles is tough as nails, Waller is a tree, use all of them. Mix and match. While keeping groupings simple for the new players, you can make matchup nightmares for defenses that have no tape on these guys. Build some confidence and more forward.
    Get them in the game.
    Heck, Waller and Brown or Williams in a triplets formation with either Camp or SSR behind them would make it difficult to locate those little guys.
    I am sure, SSR would like a big escort on the outside.
    Just saying, it shouldn't be so hard to scheme when you have receivers of all sizes and skill sets available.
    that was my biggest issue as well, Kubiak knew we are using his playbook and instead of changing things up they stuck to the script their defense knew exactly what to do and run and pass plays.





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    Re: What we have now vs. What we'll have by season's end.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fanatic View Post
    Running that type of offense requires much more use of the middle of the field with screens, slants, etc.

    To me the perplexing part about last week was the lack of using a lot of these types of plays, particularly with the way the line played and how much heat Flacco was under.
    Right now, I am taking from last week the conclusion that the talent they faced made a lot of the options worthless. The rush was more than normal (and the O-Line, for whatever reason was ineffective to the point of being a Chinese Fire-Drill for Flacco) and the pressure up the middle made it difficult to step up in the pocket to hit the middle routes. Without the time and the open throwing lanes, the things that the Ravens will need were taken away. And the screens were hurt by the edges that were blocked by the rush and by the coverage on the receivers on the outside. Throwing over there does not create a threat for the Defense if they can be all over the target by the time it gets there.

    I will not panic unless these become regular problems. For now, I would just focus on developing more of a running game and build the pieces from there. And hope that somebody (Marlon?) starts running deep to at least give the Defense the thought that it can happen. Perriman is a non-factor because he has not been a player, so I am not putting him in the plan.
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    Re: What we have now vs. What we'll have by season's end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jsmoove View Post
    that was my biggest issue as well, Kubiak knew we are using his playbook and instead of changing things up they stuck to the script their defense knew exactly what to do and run and pass plays.
    This, big time. Harbaugh should have known this and had Trestman scheme better. Hell, Flacco was hurried when he threw the game changer to Jacoby way back when. Being hurried all game long showed that Trestman didn't have a answer for it.





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    Re: What we have now vs. What we'll have by season's end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jsmoove View Post
    that was my biggest issue as well, Kubiak knew we are using his playbook and instead of changing things up they stuck to the script their defense knew exactly what to do and run and pass plays.
    Bingo!!!! This right here all day.

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