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02-05-2013, 03:51 PM #1Regular 1st Stringer
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Who to keep
Providing we sign the mvp to a long term deal which will help the cap., I think we should try to keep 2/3 of the team togther if possible. By 2/3 i mean offense and special teams. Extend Boldin and Jones 2-3 years each and Pitta for 3 years. Dickson I would let go. Jones fills a few areas, wide reciever and is a great return guy. Now you have Joe, Q, Smith,Pitta and Jones back for at least 2-3 more years together which should keep our offense in the top tier. Mckinnie I don't know about, I guess a contract laden with clauses but I don't trust he will live up to it. Defense wise I'd keep Ellerbe and let Krueger go and Cary go. Webb and Graham as corners and Jimmy and C Brown in our nickel with Pollard and maybe Ed if he gave a home town discount which I doubt he will do. Draft wise we need few spots filled obviously. I see very little dropoff if you can keep that together.
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02-05-2013, 06:31 PM #2Hyperbolic curmudgeometer
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I don't see how the Ravens can keep both Q & Jacoby--they're both due big paydays & they won't both take a cut. Doss isn't Q & never will be but if he hits the weight room hard & can put on 10-12 lb in the upper body & work on catching, he might not be too much of a step down. Deonte Thompson &/or Tommy Streeter are the capstrapped-man's candidates for Jacoby's role.
Dickson would be nice to keep but he doesn't seem to do the job as a blocker & someone will pay too much for him.
Ellerbe needs to be reupped to anchor the defensive interior. Kruger, much as I hate to say it, is going to walk--we can't afford him, Upshaw is going to be more of a 3-down player, & there are young guys like Adrian Hamilton that need a look as situational edge rushers. Kemo moves on but Tyson might be able to fill in. Can't see Ed Reeeeeed signing a cap-friendly extension & it's not clear there's anyone on the roster who could jump in (Christian Thompson?) I think they'll start the season with Ellerbe & McClain at ILB for lack of better alternatives--I don''t think they'd bite on Te'o unless he fell to the end of round 2 & maybe not then.
The huuuuuge problem is LOT. Oher plays a middling-to-poor LT & a pretty good RT, but he still thinks of himself as a LT & wants to be paid as such; the move to RT was in his mind temporary in order to get the best line on the field. If they find anyone else to play LT--& that specifically includes re-signing McKinnie--they are almost guaranteed to lose him when his contract expires; some team will almost certainly consider him an upgrade at LT & be willing to pay him. So even if they gamble some 2014 picks to move up & draft their LT of the future, they'll need a RT of the future the year after. I expect the Ravens to pencil Oher in at LT & draft a RT in round 1, trading up a few slots if necessary, then look for a FS in round 2.
I think this is the best they can reasonably expect to do for next season--& it may not even be good enough to get back to the postseason.
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02-05-2013, 06:51 PM #4
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Re: Who to keep
The Ravens' history of RFA tenders says that you couldn't be more wrong. If they gave a $1.9 million 2nd round tender to Ellerbe last offseason after an awful 2011, they are going to go give $1.3 million to Dickson. $1.3 million to a veteran in his prime, even if he is a backup, is still a monumental bargain. Tendering him only increases our salary cap about $750-800k. That's peanuts.
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02-06-2013, 11:29 AM #6
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Oh I understand that we sign just about every RFA ever, but this year we are super tight capwise, and this is one of the worst drafts in the teams history that is up for RFA. David Reed, harewood and Dickson, IMO should all be replaced cheaper in this instance. I think we can quite possibly get the same or better production from UDFA's and late round picks which cost half as much or less. It's probably NOT what they will do, but IMO is the right move. Or, tender Dickson just to ship him to Philly for 5th, so we have more ammunition to move UP in the draft.
IMO, Dickson's ONLY value above random UDFA TE is if Pitta were to get long term injured. While Pitta is healthy, I'd RATHER have (insert player here) as a blocker.
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02-05-2013, 08:14 PM #7Hyperbolic curmudgeometer
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If this is the only (or the biggest) quibble you have with that post, I consider myself flattered. ;)
Ed had a couple of nice catches in the Bowel & I wouldn't be surprised if some team thought his combination of speed & size was worth a 3rd--especially if this draft is as thin on offensive skill players as speculation has it.
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02-05-2013, 06:50 PM #9
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I personally think the move is to...
Extend to a lower cap number:
Leach, Boldin and Jacoby
Cut
Birk/Williams
Non-Tender
Dickson/David Reed/Harewood
Tender RFA
Art Jones, Pitta
Allow to leave
Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Kruger, Cary Williams
Re-sign UFA
Ellerbe, oops stopped early here... Big Mac and bviously FlaccoLast edited by jonboy79; 02-06-2013 at 11:34 AM.
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02-05-2013, 06:55 PM #10
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Are you really ready to say this franchise is going to struggle to make the playoffs next year based on some potential salary cap problems? We are not nearly in as bad a shape as the Steelers were this time last year. It may take a lot of moves, but I fully expect Oz to produce a fully loaded roster capable of at least making the playoffs next year with a chance to defend the title.
I think Q gets an extention. Suggs has a huge cap number and even with all the injuries this year, I would not hesitate to extend him. There are always moves that can be made, and we should all trust Oz at this point to make the right ones.
Kruger will not be very easy to replace. He is exactly what we have needed ever since he was drafted, and I do not trust the draft to deliver another pass rusher. Even though Ellerbe plays more and is likely going to cost less, he may be the easier guy to find a replacement for.
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Re: Who to keep
Release Jacoby Jones and continue to develop Deonte Thompson for that role
Extend Boldin, one more year, to lower his 2013 cap figure by a few million.
Resign Bryant McKinnie for $5 million or less. Otherwise, let him go.
Draft a LT either way.
Let Williams sign elsewhere.
Kruger WILL sign elsewhere.
Sign Reed for $4 or less. Otherwise, let him go to another team (Although it will be tough to see him leave).
Give Birk time, I think he will announce his retirement.
Resign Ellerbe, because ILB money is on the down right now."Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore
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Birk said when the season started he came back for one more shot at the SB, so he might go out like Ray now - a Champ!
It's gonna be hard to keep Jacoby and Boldin under the cap. Jacoby is still signed. Boldin isn't.
Me thinks Bisciotti's comments at the stadium today went over everyone's heads when he said I wonder how many
times we can keep bringing you these trophies.
TRANSLATED: Once we pay Joe we gutt the entire team like we did in 01. It took us 11 years to get over that
and win another trophhy.
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