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01-28-2013, 02:07 PM #37Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in
[QUOTE=LukeDaniel;571575][QUOTE=leachisabeast;571579]I get all that, but refer to my original posts on this topic... if Flacco is franchised, that would put us over the cap of $120m RIGHT THERE... without signing a single free agent! In other words, you're talking about cutting guys just to make weight. Dumping Jacoby and Vonta and freeing up their 7m is a good move, but that gets you down to a payroll of about $115m, all else equal. That's projected to be $5m under the cap. They could PROBABLY get one of Kruger and Ellerbe under that, but both would be a big stretch... do they really want to be right at the cap again with back-loaded contracts dragging down the future?
I agree that Flacco's long-term contract is the pivotal issue, but the real question is not IF it happens but WHEN it happens. If the Ravens have to franchise Flacco they're out of free agency, period, until the tag is lifted via long-term deal. The worst case scenario here is that Flacco remains on the franchise tag through the entire offseason. By opening day guys like Ellerbe, Kruger, Knighton, Kenny Phillips, etc. will have all likely signed elsewhere--they're not going to wait for the Ravens on a handshake deal in all likelihood.
That's why I called it the worst case scenario--and, unfortunately, I think it has a strong possibility of playing out. The Ravens want to get a deal done quickly but they had the entire season to do that and the FO had more leverage months ago. Now Flacco has a lot of leverage, and that could complicate the process. I think it gets done but I don't know if the odds are good that it happens before late summer.
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Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in
Ravens always do cap magic, they will again. We will lose a few players and add some. Birk might not retire, btw if you read his interview. He played pretty well this year. Their might be a few restructured deals here and thier but not much change in the roster next year except for a handful of players. I think Leach might be released (possibly resigned), something will happen Boldins deal and Jones but I expect them both back likey with longerterm contracts. People freak out 2 years ago we let go Heap, WM. Mase and Buddy Lee and make AFFCG, Last year Grubbs, Johnson, Mckinney, Redding and backup S's and make AFFCG again! Relax.... Joe will sign longterm deal with cap freindly 2013 like Rice and then cap goes up again in 2014. The beat moves on. 90% of the teams have the same problem but not the depth or talent level of the Ravens or the shrewd FO. Raves always have a plan and many backup plans.
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01-28-2013, 11:57 PM #39
Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in
The Cap numbers for the 42 players under contract for 2013 are now updated and on the site:
http://russellstreetreport.com/salar...ns-salary-cap/
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01-29-2013, 12:07 AM #40
Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in
I think that's bit optimistic. Right now, after tendering their RFAs and ERFAs and including the savings from Ray's retirement, I would project the team to have around $5M under (could be more like $6-7M if they decline to tender some of their RFAs - Harewood, DReed). That includes a full carryover of the $1.182M from this year. If you add in the retirements of Birk and Williams, that number goes up to just under $7.5M. So, if they are forced to franchise Flacco, they will have to do a lot more work, via restructures, extensions or releases, to just get under the Cap.
I would agree with bmorecareful, if they have to franchise Flacco, they are likely out of free agency, including re-signing some of their own (at least, barring wholesale restructures/releases/extensions).
So, IMO, the key to their offseason is getting a deal done with Flacco.
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Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in
Ellerbe will not cost a lot, in the grand scheme of things, due to the devaluation of his position. We saw that last off-season and it is unlikely to change.
I would expect the team to work out an extension for Anquan Boldin. They will also keep Vontae Leach. These are guys that you can count on for more physically demanding opponents. They have added a sense of toughness to the offense.
The odd man out on offense will be Jacoby Jones. While he has not played as bad as I thought he would, I can see them trying to groom someone like Deonte Thompson for his role.
The one guy that is probably as good as gone is Paul Kruger.
The guy that I think is an unknown is Bryant McKinnie. It will be interesting to see how much he garners in Free Agency. If the team could bring him back for less than four million, while drafting their future LT, that would be the best case scenario. That way, they could keep the rest of the line where it needs to be."Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore
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Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in
Which also means that it is more likely to happen, IMO.
Flacco knows that he has the leverage and if they win the SB and he wins the MVP or something - which is likely - then he'll have even more leverage.
The Ravens know that in order to remain competitive they need to get Flacco under a long term contract and structure it so that his cap number isn't killing them next year.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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01-29-2013, 11:40 AM #44
Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in
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01-29-2013, 11:45 AM #45
Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in
On a long term deal, that is definitely doable and could/should be less than that.
For instance, if he got a $30M signing bonus and a $1M base salary for 2013, his 2013 Cap number would be $7M. With that said, though, I wouldn't expect his signing bonus to be that much, because they usually structure their guaranteed money to include an option bonus (or two, if it's a 7-year deal). So, perhaps a $20M Signing bonus (with a $10M option bonus in 2014). That would reduce his 2013 Cap number (with a $1M base salary) to $5M.
OTOH, if they can't get it done........it's not going to be pretty.Last edited by B-more Ravor; 01-29-2013 at 11:52 AM.
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01-29-2013, 11:47 AM #46
Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in
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01-29-2013, 11:50 AM #47
Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in
Glad to see Graham is getting paid for the job he did in 2012/13. He came up BIG when needed.
Gotta hope Webb comes back close to form & Smith matures;after that, Corey may have to walk in favor of cheaper guys on rookie contracts (e.g.C. or O. Brown, A Jackson, etc.) What a luxury of DB depth we saw this year! A far cry from the Derrick Martin/Frank Walker days.
One side benefit of the AFC Champion & Super Bowl bound Baltimore Ravens recent and future high profile is that Oher's "Blindside rep." as an All-World LT has been exposed. Teams would be foolish to sign him as an LT, and I suspect few will try to outbid the Ravens for Oher @ RT. Next year, we're probably breaking in a new center and still trying to draft a long term LT. Let's keep as much continuity as we can on this OL.
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01-29-2013, 01:10 PM #48Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in
This is what I keep repeating over and over but people aren't getting it. We all know they got deals for those guys done, EVENTUALLY, but they took forever and a day despite not even approaching the size and scope of the deal Flacco's going to sign. What makes people think Flacco's deal will happen faster just because it's more urgent? This is an FO that usually takes negotiations down to the wire and sometimes beyond, as in Suggs' case.
While those guys were under the tag the Ravens' ability to operate was severely constrained. The same will be true if/when Flacco is tagged... the Ravens will be completely and totally locked out of free agency until after the tag is lifted, which may not happen until it's far too late to matter. That would mean not signing any of the UFAs that we're all coveting, including the Ravens' own guys.
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