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    The Baltimore Ravens need to be build around Joe Flacco.

    It's a darn shame that it's taken five years for them to even begin to figure that out. When you look at all of the top quarterbacks in the league, they are surrounded by personnel dedicated to making them the best quarterbacks in the league. The vast majority of them have teams built around them and their talents. From system, to philosophy, to talent.

    Teams have decided to push to make their QBs great and live and die with their leadership.

    Here? No sir. Usually, when a QB is drafted in the first round, there is an asserted effort to build the team around that QB, who likely becomes the face of the franchise.

    We already had one of those here and his name is Ray Lewis. So, when Joe showed up, he was asked to not screw things up for the defense, while they relied on the running game again and again.

    Fives years of this. Well, guess what, Ray can't do it like he used to and this defense isn't doing it like they used to and the Ravens got caught with their pants down.

    They might as well accept the fact that Joe Flacco will be the new face of the franchise and make a LEGITIMATE EFFORT, to build the team around him.

    It gets on my nerves when I hear this talk about how, "Joe will never be elite" and "It's been five years, he'll never change".

    Nobody can honestly sit here with a straight face and say that the Ravens have made a serious effort to build the team around Joe Flacco. His head coach hasn't, his coordinator hasn't, it took them FOUR YEARS to draft a WR of Torrey Smith's caliber. Joe was basically stuck with Mason and not much else, passing wise, for three years. His offensive lines have gone down the drain. They take the ball out of his hands at darn near every little mistake. Yet, suddenly ask him to pull it out at the last minute.

    I will say it. Joe Flacco's inconsistency starts with the inconsistent support his development has received from the front office.

    It is completely unfair to judge this man, compared to QBs who have enjoyed far stronger support and commitment from their front offices, before he gets the same luxury.

    This should have been done two years ago, but everybody swore that defense and running the ball would do the trick. Only for the playoffs to show up, Joe to have to make the throws, only to make them and have em' dropped, as if he's bringing a knife to a gun fight, which he is.

    For four years, we sat here and talked about how Joe hardly ever saw a completed pass that wasn't perfectly placed. Meanwhile, Welker is snatching anything low, high and indifferent. Calvin Johnson is beating freakin triple coverage in the red zone.

    The fact that Joe Flacco has accomplished as much as he has, given the circumstances, is impressive if you ask me.

    Build an offensive system around him, give him a line and give him multiple WRs that can scare a defense.

    Watch what happens.
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    Re: The Baltimore Ravens need to be build around Joe Flacco.

    I am willing to endure an 8-8 season to overhaul the team for Joe. The tag may force it anyway, might as well start life without Lewis and Reed next year. Get some beef on the O-Line would be my #1 priority.





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    Re: The Baltimore Ravens need to be build around Joe Flacco.

    I agree 100%. I believe they have the talent in skill positions to be a top offense now. Cam just couldn't figure out how to use the talent.





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    Re: The Baltimore Ravens need to be build around Joe Flacco.

    Sorry OP. You're off base with your comments that the FO wasn't making a serious effort to build around Joe. The fact of the matter is that what the Ravens tried to do simply didn't work but you can't question their intentions. They drafted guys like Oher, Rice, Torrey, Ed Dickson, Pitta and Doss for a reason hoping these guys would complement Joe well. Whether some of these parts work out remains to be seen.





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    Re: The Baltimore Ravens need to be build around Joe Flacco.

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    Sorry OP. You're off base with your comments that the FO wasn't making a serious effort to build around Joe. The fact of the matter is that what the Ravens tried to do simply didn't work but you can't question their intentions. They drafted guys like Oher, Rice, Torrey, Ed Dickson, Pitta and Doss for a reason hoping these guys would complement Joe well. Whether some of these parts work out remains to be seen.
    I think you are both right, but there was a two year portion if Joe's career that was definately win now, don't blow it and they allowed the O-Line to suffer.





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    Re: The Baltimore Ravens need to be build around Joe Flacco.

    The talent is there. This isn't the 2000 offense. Rice is a great player. The Ravens are 3 deep at receiver. They have 2 effective tight ends. They have the best fullback in the NFL. The offensive line is below average but it's not horrible. There is a lot of talent for Joe to work with. He has more than any QB in Ravens history ever had before.





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    Re: The Baltimore Ravens need to be build around Joe Flacco.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    The talent is there. This isn't the 2000 offense. Rice is a great player. The Ravens are 3 deep at receiver. They have 2 effective tight ends. They have the best fullback in the NFL. The offensive line is below average but it's not horrible. There is a lot of talent for Joe to work with. He has more than any QB in Ravens history ever had before.
    This.

    The moves on the O-line haven't been great, but they have tried every year to add talent to the O for Joe. Hopefully it really has been an issue of Cam holding him, and the O in general, back.

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    Re: The Baltimore Ravens need to be build around Joe Flacco.

    Every unit on the team has been almost tailor made for Joe. The only one I'll point to in the last few years is the OL.

    2008 - Gaither - Grubbs - Brown - Chester - Willie Anderson
    2009 - Gaither - Grubbs - Birk - Chester - Oher
    2010 - Oher - Grubbs - Birk - Chester - Yanda
    2011 - McKinnie - Grubbs - Birk - Yanda - Oher
    2012 - Oher - CF (Harewood/Williams/Reid) - Birk - Yanda - KO

    So, let's just say that 2008 and 2009 were Joe's "golden" years. He was improving, he was progressing. In 2010, Oher is moved to LT, which was admittedly a mistake then. Yanda was a good OL, but RT was not his best position. 2011, Oher back to RT, McKinnie in at LT. McKinnie had some good games, but overall just a little better than Oher. Grubbs was injured for 6-7 games, leading to Gurode at LG. Birk has been getting worse....

    2012 - Oher back to LT, which we all can probably agree isn't working. LG has been an absolute disaster. Grubbs was playing at PB alternate level. What remains is a total CF. Harewood had a shot and failed, Bobbie Williams had a shot and failed. Jah Reid is maybe okay? Birk continuing to regress. Rookie at RT has been good at times, bad at others.

    I remember the OL play was rough in 2010, which was what led to Matsko's firing and Moeller's "promotion". Can anyone argue it's gotten better since then? I don't think it has. Moeller probably can't go midseason, but I don't think he should be back next year. Also, Oher needs to GTFO of LT! Let McKinnie ride out the year, then you HAVE to go back to the drawing board! He's not getting it done. LG, I don't even know. Maybe Oher? Maybe ride with Reid? Birk is likely gone after this year, but we'll have some rough times with Gradkowski too. Yanda should hopefully be back full go next year, and I hope KO continues to improve.

    The OL play isn't all the answer, but I think that is the one spot where the moves they've made have been okay at best, and many have not panned out.
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  9. Re: The Baltimore Ravens need to be build around Joe Flacco.

    I agree that Joe has been handcuffed by Cam's system and no, he hasn't had a dominating WR to haul in passes, but Boldin and Torrey make a very formidable pair, Jacoby and Tandon are two solid backups as well. I think the talent has been built year by year, we just haven't had the system or coordinator to make it that effective. I think that if you do go ahead and invest the big bucks in Joe, you HAVE to not only build things around him, but you have to make it his team. Do things that utilize his strengths as well as the others, bring in some stout OL (Yanda, KO, and Oher make a nice group, but we need a C pretty badly) and allow him to have control.

    Of course, you can't continue to allow the defense to go to the wayside. Granted injuries have hurt us this year and there's a lot of inexperienced youth, but we need to also make sure it stays at least solid on that side of the ball.





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    Re: The Baltimore Ravens need to be build around Joe Flacco.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lime in the Coconut View Post
    I agree that Joe has been handcuffed by Cam's system and no, he hasn't had a dominating WR to haul in passes, but Boldin and Torrey make a very formidable pair, Jacoby and Tandon are two solid backups as well. I think the talent has been built year by year, we just haven't had the system or coordinator to make it that effective. I think that if you do go ahead and invest the big bucks in Joe, you HAVE to not only build things around him, but you have to make it his team. Do things that utilize his strengths as well as the others, bring in some stout OL (Yanda, KO, and Oher make a nice group, but we need a C pretty badly) and allow him to have control.

    Of course, you can't continue to allow the defense to go to the wayside. Granted injuries have hurt us this year and there's a lot of inexperienced youth, but we need to also make sure it stays at least solid on that side of the ball.
    But you see, that's just it. If the Ravens give Flacco the contract he wants, they won't have the cap space to get all of those other pieces, and Flacco isn't good enough to put the team on his back and carry them to victory.





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    Re: The Baltimore Ravens need to be build around Joe Flacco.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    The talent is there. This isn't the 2000 offense. Rice is a great player. The Ravens are 3 deep at receiver. They have 2 effective tight ends. They have the best fullback in the NFL. The offensive line is below average but it's not horrible. There is a lot of talent for Joe to work with. He has more than any QB in Ravens history ever had before.
    But the best the Ravens ever had doesn't equate to on par with other championship teams in the NFL though. That's like saying they just aren't as crappy as they used to be.

    I agree they have been building around Joe at the outside positions, though Rice came in with Joe so that isn't an acquisition they got just for him. Adding Torrey Smith and Pitta/Dickson was great. But we let our OL suffer letting Grubbs walk, moving Oher back to LT, and continuing to have a 35+ year old center start with no real backup plan or player to groom for that spot. That to me isn't building around Joe.

    And the bigger problem now is they have to go back to drafting the defense because that unit is suffering BADLY. So the OL is going to get passed over again this coming season.





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    Re: The Baltimore Ravens need to be build around Joe Flacco.

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post

    And the bigger problem now is they have to go back to drafting the defense because that unit is suffering BADLY. So the OL is going to get passed over again this coming season.
    They have drafted defense recently.... Its just Oz and Eric have flopped. Kindle, Cody are busts. Jimmy Smith is disappointing so far. (I used to say Kruger too is disappointing, but he is finally ballin...Took a little while)





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