Calls to fire Harbaugh are ridiculous (Merged)

**psuasskicker** · 12-09-2012, 06:21 PM

Harbaugh is without question a top ten coach in this league, and is probably top five. Coughlin, Payton and Belichick are pretty unquestionably top three. After that there's a clump, but Harbaugh is undoubtedly in it. He's the only coach who's gone to and won a playoff game four straight years, and they're highly likely to at least go again (which they'll likely host) if not win one against one of the other weak-sister wild cards.

But this team has two big problems.

1) Cam. Duh. He obviously needs to go and I'm having trouble seeing a scenario that doesn't end in the Ravens in the Super Bowl where Cam comes back next year.

2) This team has a personnel deficit. Certainly the OL is awful. Oher and Birk almost have to be replaced. LG is a huge hole. Osemele needs to develop but he's not playing well right now. Yanda's the only decent OL and he may now be injured.

But defensively there are just huge, gaping holes. Reed has turned into a full-blown liability. Lewis wasn't playing great when he was in, but his absence certainly hurts. The entire LB corps is a disaster...Ellerbe is hurt. Suggs - the DPotY - has missed more of the season than he's played. Ngata doesn't look right and we know he's played hurt if not still playing hurt. Losing JJ to free agency was a big loss in run defense. Webb and Smith are both out at corner.

Today, we had half our start-of-season projected starting D miss the game due to injury. Say "Next man up" all you want, but that includes two future Hall of Famers and one of the better shut-down corners in the league...that's a lot to try to overcome.

So maybe not so much trying to lay this on Harbaugh. 24 teams in this league have more losses than the Ravens do. Hyperbole is unbecoming.

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**GaTechRavens** · 12-09-2012, 06:22 PM

There's a 24 hour wait before reasonable posts are allowed.

**leachisabeast** · 12-09-2012, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by GaTechRavens

There's a 24 hour wait before reasonable posts are allowed.

hahahhaha great post lmao

**landspeed** · 12-09-2012, 06:24 PM

Wow you this is hilarious

I read "we have to get rid of other" and decided with that alone that this is just completely wrong.

Michael oher is a top 5 RT.

It is not his fault that he is put in the wrong position.

That right there is harbaughs fault.

You people make these issues to be so black and white

**steelerhater** · 12-09-2012, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by landspeed

Wow you this is hilarious

I read "we have to get rid of other" and decided with that alone that this is just completely wrong.

Michael oher is a top 5 RT.

It is not his fault that he is put in the wrong position.

That right there is harbaughs fault.

You people make these issues to be so black and white

Huh? Michael Oher should not be in the NFL.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-09-2012, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

Huh? Michael Oher should not be in the NFL.

Hyperbole much?

He's not a LT or even ideal for a RT, but he would be a dominant guard.

**ravenray** · 12-09-2012, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74

but he would be a dominant guard.

How can you make such statement when he has never played there? He isn't big enough to block DTs.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-09-2012, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by ravenray

How can you make such statement when he has never played there? He isn't big enough to block DTs.

Michael Oher -- 6'4" -- 315 lbs.
http://www.nfl.com/player/michaeloher/71419/profile

Marshal Yanda -- 6'3" -- 315 lbs.
http://www.nfl.com/player/marshalyanda/2507188/profile

Guess this Yanda guy isn't big enough either...

Hey, someone should tell the Ravens!

SMH

**AirFlacco** · 12-09-2012, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

Huh? Michael Oher should not be in the NFL.

LOL - He dropped to us for a reason and it all wasn't the book with the word stupid
plastered all over it.

Kiper said he'd be beat but gave that draft a B based on getting Webb.

It only hurts when I laugh.

**rlh445** · 12-09-2012, 10:05 PM

LOL Rex Ryan? Really? Ahahahaha. Man. It feels downright shameful to be a Ravens fan sometimes. So Harbs has just 'lucked' into all these wins and accolades despite coming onto this team as a rookie head coach of a team that went 5-11, had his two starting QBs go down with injuries before the start of his first season and having to start a rookie QB from the freaking Fightin Blue Hens only to take them to the AFCCG (one of two appearances overall) but he lucked into all of that. Boy, guess he used up all his magic juice the last four years, eh guys?

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-09-2012, 10:14 PM

Calls to fire Cam, however, make perfect sense

**psuasskicker** · 12-09-2012, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by seraph

He took over an already good team that was entirely injured the previous season.

It's laughable to suggest that team was more injured than this one. And while the prior year's team was 13-3, the one before that was 6-10. When Harbaugh came in, the Ravens were coming off a three-year stretch of 24-24 football with one playoff home loss, putting up six points on a team which gave up fewer than 14 points once that season, and that one time they gave up thirteen.

Cam's weakness isn't necessarily his offensive system, it's the fact that the talent on this offense is built to succeed doing things Cam's system doesn't call for. Yes, Harbaugh's biggest weakness as a coach is his inability to get Cam out of town. But unless everyone here basically forgot Caldwell's hire as sending a clear message that Cam better get it done this year or else, I'm not even close to ready to say a change won't be made. If not, yes, that falls on Harbs. However, lest we all forget what exactly Cam and Harbaugh have done offensively, the last five years we've ranked 11th and 17th in pts/yds, while for five years before that we ranked 18th and 23rd.

Harbaugh could lose out this season and would have 53 regular season wins. That's five wins more than Billick's best five-year stretch with this team. In fact, if you take Billick's five BEST seasons with the Ravens, it totals 54 wins.

This whole argument is shockingly stupid to me. Like, it's hard to imagine it's actually happening. We're 9-4 despite having virtually every one of our best players on defense injured or falling off the age cliff, not to mention a bunch of other starters injured. At least half the other NFL teams would KILL to have our coaching "problems." Teams like the Browns, Bills, Chiefs, Panthers, etc who have barely sniffed the playoffs in the past ten years are drooling over the thought of going to the playoffs five years in a row.

Seven of the other 31 franchises have won the Super Bowl since our Lombardy. You can count on one hand the number of teams with more playoff wins or regular season wins than the Ravens over the last five years. But please, by all means, go on trying to convince us how we're really an amazeballs team with shitty coaching which has been holding the Ravens back these five years and we would be better off scrapping it all and going a different direction.

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