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12-03-2012, 12:29 PM #133
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Re: Why Joe's the problem
birk spend most of his time on his back or in thebackfield, the middle of the Oline has been bad all season long, I don't see any recievers getting separation downfield teams have keyed in on play calling they know the routes just watch the road games, and now they figured it out at home.
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12-03-2012, 12:33 PM #134
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Re: What is Joe worth?
Short of the Ravens winning the Super Bowl this year, the solution is something in the middle. The Ravens have to fire Cam, and franchise Flacco. They must see if the problem is with Flacco or with Cam. It would have been preferable to do it this year, but I can also see how that would have been tough to justify considering how the AFC Championship game ended last year. It has to be done now though. The Ravens cannot and should not grossly overpay Flacco just because they think they are desperate to keep him. IMO, Flacco is an above average QB, but is in no way deserving of a $100+ million contract based on what he has shown up to this point. Statistically speaking, he is in the 14-20 best QB range. I can see paying him like a Top 10 QB based on need and potential, but not more than that. If Flacco improves significantly with a new OC, then go ahead and sign him to the big long-term deal. However, if Flacco doesn't improve with a new OC, then the Ravens can franchise him again, and then look to trade him if he will not agree to a reasonable long-term contract.
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12-03-2012, 12:36 PM #135
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Re: What is Joe worth?
Why do I have a feeling that Joe is going to end up franchised and crushing our cap next season?
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12-03-2012, 12:38 PM #136
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Re: What is Joe worth?
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12-03-2012, 12:41 PM #137Legendary RSR Poster
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12-03-2012, 12:48 PM #138Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: What is Joe worth?
One of the biggest issues I had with the Ravens bringing Cam back the last two years is not just my dislike for Cam's offense; it's because had they got rid of Cam earlier they could have evaluated Joe in a new system and found out whether Cam was the problem, Joe was the problem or they both were the problem. Now all three choices they have after this season have the potential to backfire.
Option 1 - Status quo. They bring back both Cam and Joe. - Yuck. Been there done that.
Option 2 - Let Cam go and bring in a new OC. Sign Joe to a new contract. - Hopefully this works out. I don't think it's JUST a Joe problem. It might be a Cam problem or a Cam & Joe problem but not strictly Joe. But, for the sake of argument, what if it is a Flacco problem? Then you've tied up money in Joe with a new contract before finding out the answer.
Option 3 - Let Cam go. Bring in a new OC. Either the deal doesn't get done and they franchise Joe or the front office purposely decides to franchise Joe to evaluate him under a new offense. - Then you can find out if Joe can be the answer in a new offense BUT you royally f*ck up the salary cap next year and this team has way to many holes to pay that much money to anything that's not a sure thing.
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Re: Why Joe's the problem
That is a big issue.
They're going to be stuck because giving him the tag is going to be pretty expensive and really limit how they address other positions...but do you really want to invest that kind of squeege into a guy you've seen plateau?
I mean, realistically speaking, it is highly probable that Flacco's performance will improve with a better offensive scheme, but Ozzie and Bisciotti have really put themselves in a sticky situation.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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12-03-2012, 12:51 PM #140
Re: How has Caldwell benefited Flacco?
How has Hue Jackson?
How has Jim Zorn?
Maybe it's the student and not the teacher
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Re: How has Caldwell benefited Flacco?
You can't really compare Zorn or Jackson.
#1 - Jackson left to take a HC gig and that was Flacco's rookie year IIRC.
#2 - Zorn was scapegoated by Cam and Harbaugh because Cam felt that Flacco had "too many voices" in his ear.
They have made a lot of coaching changes that were mistakes, IMO.
Letting Billy Matsko go and going with Andy Moeller.
Firing Jim Zorn and making Cam the QB's coach only to bring in Jim Caldwell. That whole situation was just really dumb.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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12-03-2012, 01:05 PM #142Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: How has Caldwell benefited Flacco?
I'm not pointing fingers at Flacco or Caldwell. I'm just trying to figure out if the money to bring Caldwell in to coach Flacco was money well spent and we're seeing some improvement or has Flacco hit his ceiling and a QB coach isn't going to be an answer to getting any improvement.
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12-03-2012, 01:05 PM #143
Re: What is Joe worth?
Unfortunately, I'm starting to come around to the belief that that is the best thing for them to do. Yes, it's going to create some short term pain as far as next year's Cap goes, but for the long term, it gives them a year to see Joe without Cam and to see if Cam is Joe's problem, or if there is more to this that is on Joe. That would allow them to make that determination before having to commit to a long term deal, so that if Joe is truly more of the problem, it could save them from sinking their Cap for years to come by having an albatross of a contract.
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12-03-2012, 01:06 PM #144Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: How has Caldwell benefited Flacco?
Whey you have an idiot calling the plays, creating the schemes, and making the decisions about what personnel to put on the field for each play not even Houdini could get out of that box!
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