Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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Originally Posted by
Teavo
Yes that's my point.
I may well be overvaluing him from the perspective of other teams but I don't care what other teams think because:
1. Hurst is valuable to us right now, and
2. We're under zero pressure to trade him
You're thinking about this the wrong way. You're coming at it with the assumption that we should trade Hurst, so then you consider how to do it.
I reject the idea that we should trade him in the first place, so how to make it work is largely irrelevant. Again, if someone wows us with a great offer I'd take it. Anything less, I prefer to keep Hurst.
No sorry, that's not where I come from at all. I could as well say you don't want to trade him at all and that's why you are putting a late first round tag on him so nobody comes asking and in fact you've said as much: I reject the idea that we should trade him in the first place
I think his value for us is limited because of Andrews, Boyle and Hurst's own need to see more targets in an offense that runs a lot and also has rookie WRs that should improve next season, whereas his value for the Jags or the Pats is much higher. Therefore there is leverage and maybe an added value to trade him. If it's a second round pick, I'm doing it. It all depends on what comes our way in exchange, and that is good for every other player in the roster except maybe Stanley and Lamar.
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
If you can get a 2nd, especially in this WR class, then it’s a no brainer. Have a hard time seeing that though
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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GOTA
Boyle and Hurst had almost identical receiving stats last year. Hurst had 1 less catch 20 more yards and both caught 2 TDs. If Boyle is doing the same thing in the passing game and is a great blocker then he's a lot more valuable.
Exactly. Boyle has 300 + more offensive snaps than either HH or Andrews and is a great blocker. Many are as pure blocking 6th OL/Move End. In our offense Boyle is "a lot more valuable" than HH. To about 20 +other NFL teams, he would be a serious upgrade at TE.
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
Hurst + 28 + 60
20 + 42
Done. 2 trade ups.
20 = Chaisson
42 = Blacklock
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
According to the Jimmy Johnson trade chart, it would only take a Mid third round pick to move from 28 to 20 (190 points).
So if my math is correct, this trade places a late second round value on Hurst???
Not exactly a great ROI for a former first-rounder. And yes, I realize his original draft position is a sunk cost, but I am in the camp with others - we need to be blown away to move Hurst, and this deal is meh.
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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Originally Posted by
AmishlandRavenFan
According to the Jimmy Johnson trade chart, it would only take a Mid third round pick to move from 28 to 20 (190 points).
So if my math is correct, this trade places a late second round value on Hurst???
Not exactly a great ROI for a former first-rounder. And yes, I realize his original draft position is a sunk cost, but I am in the camp with others - we need to be blown away to move Hurst, and this deal is meh.
Run it with 28 -> 20 and 60 -> 42
We may need to add a 4th. But I'd still do that. 2 top 50 picks would be ideal.
Re: Bartsool: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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Trackmaster
I think that the best formula for rings is to be consistent, pound a ton of trips to the play-offs, and eventually you break through. Just going all-in in the short-term isn't the highest percentage way to get a ring.
This. Well put.
Keeping Thor is one of the things that keeps the window open a little wider. Unless we get blown away by an offer.
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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BPF2
I think saying Boyle is ahead of Hurst is a little disingenuous. Their stats last year are virtually identical, but they play the position very differently.
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Originally Posted by
jonboy79
Boyle is our starting TE, who also plays the most snaps. There is nothing disingenuous about any of that. Not only is he ahead of Hurst, he is ahead of Andrews.
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Originally Posted by
GOTA
Boyle and Hurst had almost identical receiving stats last year. Hurst had 1 less catch 20 more yards and both caught 2 TDs. If Boyle is doing the same thing in the passing game and is a great blocker then he's a lot more valuable.
You're talking about volume status. Hurst's efficiency stats are better than Boyle's.
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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JimZipCode
You're talking about volume status. Hurst's efficiency stats are better than Boyle's.
I think that's because more often than not Boyle is blocking on a run play. Any Boyle run plays should be negated when calculating their efficiency stats against each other.
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
Unless they can get a second round pick in the top 50 or a player with potential who has an equivalent value like a N'keal Harry in a position they want to upgrade I really don't think it would be worth it.
Re: Bartsool: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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Shrubbs
I think the disconnect is I don’t care about the future, I think we’re in a position to win the SuperBowl in 2020. Hurst is in my opinion very good, and I don’t want to give up a very good player for a 3rd round pick when we’re so close. The more I think about it the more I’d probably do a 2nd, but it’s still risky.
Exactly. He will be a huge, known, part of the offense next year.
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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jonboy79
Boyle is our starting TE, who also plays the most snaps. There is nothing disingenuous about any of that. Not only is he ahead of Hurst, he is ahead of Andrews.
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I love Boyle. He has improved his pass catching a ton, but he has played the most snaps because most of the time he is a 6th lineman. Hurst and Andrews are different pieces to this offense, in my humble opinion.
Side note, we know Andrews can get beat up some.