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This makes sense to me, and probably anyone not named Peirs...
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Yeah I'm still not sure about that...
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Okay, Maybe it should make sense to anyone not named Peirs.
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I agree with the logic. Just, the current DOD training in regards to Active Shooter scenarios doesn't hold that armed civilian or military will lower the amount of casualties.
Both sides provide sound reason and logic, when it comes to this point.
Has there been an active shooter in recent history where an armed civilian was present? If so, did that incident have less than the average death toll?
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Dade
I agree with the logic. Just, the current DOD training in regards to Active Shooter scenarios doesn't hold that armed civilian or military will lower the amount of casualties.
Both sides provide sound reason and logic, when it comes to this point.
Has there been an active shooter in recent history where an armed civilian was present? If so, did that incident have less than the average death toll?
Yes, the Oregon mall shooter.
The guy walked in shot two people, a person with CCW pulled out their gun and the shooter then shot himself as a result, or at least that is how I heard it went down. Rather typical of these cowards who go to kill people, once they see force or it shows up via the police they kill themselves.
But most mass shootings happen where guns are banned, go figure.
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Yes, the Oregon mall shooter.
The guy walked in shot two people, a person with CCW pulled out their gun and the shooter then shot himself as a result, or at least that is how I heard it went down. Rather typical of these cowards who go to kill people, once they see force or it shows up via the police they kill themselves.
But most mass shootings happen where guns are banned, go figure.
Hadn't heard that's what happened in Oregon. Thats pretty damn awesome if true. Feel a little disconnected being in Germany.
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Dade
Hadn't heard that's what happened in Oregon. Thats pretty damn awesome if true. Feel a little disconnected being in Germany.
Yeah... I remember seeing the headline flashing on Yahoo! about it, once it starting getting out that there was someone there with a gun and that may have had a lot or at least something to do with the shooter killing himself, the story just faded away like it never happened.
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I think you're asking the wrong question.
There's hundreds of examples of armed civilians who stop violent crime every year. So in essence you're for proof from a negative.
I think it can be argued that an armed civilian thwarts the crime before it ever gets to the point of an "active shooter".
Very valid point. How do you track a crime or shooting that doesn't take place?
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HoustonRaven
I think you're asking the wrong question.
There's hundreds of examples of armed civilians who stop violent crime every year. So in essence you're asking for proof from a negative.
I think it can be argued that an armed civilian thwarts the crime before it ever gets to the point of an "active shooter".
Good point. But I think this would be a "stat" proponents of less gun control would look to research. I always hear that arguement being made....that civilians with guns would equal less crime/violence/active shooters. But it's rarely ever backed up with stats, outside of opinion polls.