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04-08-2012, 02:14 PM #85Hall Of Fame Poster
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04-08-2012, 02:35 PM #86Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Flacco Deal Update...
Flacco doesn't win or lose games... the Baltimore Ravens do. If you think that Joe Flacco is more responsible for the 44 regular season wins over the last four years, when by any statistical measure he's performed as an average-to-slightly-above-average QB over that time, than the defense which has been top-three in the league in scoring defense over that time, then I think you're deluding yourself. Pair the Ravens offense of the last four years with, say, the Cleveland Browns defense, and those 44 wins get cut in half. At least.
Stats are not the be-all-end-all, but they exist for several reasons, and within their context they describe reality pretty well. That's why every human endeavor, football included, makes use of them so as to improve human performance. What I showed you was that the number of wins the Ravens got last year is FAR out of proportion to the statistical quality of play they got from the QB position. Let's look at it from the other way--what was the average QB rating of teams that got 12+ wins last year? Rodgers 122.5, Brees 110.6, Brady 105.6, Smith 90.7, Roethlis 90.1. See a pattern?
I'm 100% on board with evaluation on the basis of wins and losses... it helps to have an accurate analysis of the strengths and weaknesses of the team that lead to those wins and losses. By any measure, the Ravens defense is a better unit than the offense is. I believe that has a lot more to do with the number of W/L over the last four years than the fact that Joe Flacco has been the QB for those years.
I don't see a single thing in your post that makes me believe Flacco is the reason the Ravens are in the playoffs every year. I'm showing you hard numbers which reasonably indicate that it's probably more because of the defense than because of Flacco, or anyone on the offensive side of the ball.
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04-08-2012, 02:37 PM #87Pro Bowl Poster
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And joe flacco was the 13t highest rated in 2009 and 7th highest in 2010 and then fell off this year adter all of his top recievers were gone. Hes basically supporting your evidence that good qbs make the playoffs. Despite a down statistical year hes still a good qb and history supports that as well as the ravens record/consistency. The ravens dont make the playoffs without him and he doesnt without the rest of the team but qb being the most important position he has a large part in that success.
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04-08-2012, 05:14 PM #90Pro Bowl Poster
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I'm not putting up any evidence that good QBs make the playoffs... at least, such was not my intent. Judging by Tebow, it's apparent that bad QBs make the playoffs as well, though perhaps less frequently.
Look--I'm not hating on Flacco. I hope he passes for a zillion yards next year, wins the Super Bowl in a blowout and has the Swedish bikini team fall in love with him. I am not, however, going to be blind to the fact that last year was not as good as it should have been. And if I were the Ravens front office, I'd make damn sure last year was an aberration before I committed a lot of money to him.
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Oh, I didn't know that somehow negated them. Foolishly, I thought that made them more valuable.
One thing to remember the Ravens made the AFCC game 4 years ago and Rice was our 3rd leading rusher behind Mcgahee and MCClain.
ce can't get 3rd and short for TD's or first downs consistently everyone knows that.
I remember when everyone knew that John Elway couldn't win the big one.
I remember when everyone knew that Vernon Davis was a head-case bust.
I remember when we didn't make political statements in the football forums.
In my experience, everyone doesn't know shit.Last edited by StingerNLG; 04-08-2012 at 08:36 PM.
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04-08-2012, 08:15 PM #95Legendary RSR Poster
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04-08-2012, 08:34 PM #96Regular 1st Stringer
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The fact that our receivers never getting open isnt their fault. Its because cams playbook is shit. No creative routes, no ability for the receivers to get open, he has a controlling mindset that means the players do what he wants them to do.
4 years, +10 different receivers, same results. Only thing consistent has been cam.
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