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Re: Philly extend up LeSean McCoy
The Ravens aren't desperate. And they are notorious for not overpaying their players. It's the primary reason they don't find themselves in cap jail on a yearly basis. If Flacco's demands prove to be unreasonable to them, they will let him walk. No one holds them hostage. I have yet to see it.
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05-25-2012, 08:30 AM #194
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Re: Philly extend up LeSean McCoy
You've also never seen the team negotiate a contract with a good QB.
And to say the team NEVER gets desperate is an exaggeration. The team was desperate for CB's in 2009 and they overpaid for Dominque Foxworth. Even without his injury that was a terrible contract for him. The team was desperate for a RB and not only did they give up several picks in a trade but they gave up a huge contract to a RB (McGahee) who at the time had only averaged 4 yards per carry once in his career.
There are alot of positions where the Ravens have the luxury of saying take it or leave it to their players but QB is not one of them.
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Re: Philly extend up LeSean McCoy
As far as the lockout goes, which of those other teams relied so heavily on unproven talent that were even more greatly effected by the lockout?... the answer is none. nobody had as green of a receiving unit as we did last year. Drew brees, Brady, Eli, Rodgers, and Stafford all had vet WRs that also were with the team for years. Thats a really unfair argument, even if it is the counter.
I dont necessarily disagree with everything you say here but if hes a top 5-10 QB based on ability you keep that player, even if hes only using 80% of his ability in your system, because quite frankly, systems change, coaches change, great QBs dont.
As far as him asking for top 5 money, Im not seeing whats so bad about that when looking at the top 5 highest paid for 2012 its actually lower than what most of us are saying hes probably going to get. 12/year sounds like a bargain to me.
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Re: Philly extend up LeSean McCoy
I know you're a massive Flacco-Hater and all, but the Ravens have never had a legitimate QB that they can consider their "franchise" QB.
Joe will get paid. He's been nothing but successful since his rookie year and there is 0% chance that Steve Bisciotti lets Flacco hit free agency because if he does, then he's gone and the Ravens are back to square 1 with trying to figure out their QB situation.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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05-25-2012, 09:44 AM #197
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Re: Philly extend up LeSean McCoy
The team tried the plug and play QB for 10 years with inconsistent success. They finally have a qb and have made the playoffs 4 years in a row. The Ravens will never let Flacco hit free agency. They should get the deal done this year as they will lose a ton of leverage if they have to franchise him next year. The Brees' deal will push the franchise number up next year. It will also start off a string of re negotiations with top guys pushing their yearly numbers up to 20m plus. Kolb got 12m over 5 years. Flacco is probably looking at 7 years 105. The sticking point will be guaranteed money. Ravens probably want the signing bonus split between year 1 and year 3 which will allow them to save cap money and get out of the contract if things go badly.
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05-25-2012, 11:03 AM #201Veteran Poster
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Not in 2013, but I was talking about the chance it happens against the chance a longterm deal is struck. I wasn't really talking about a specific year. But as ballhawk said, we could probably get something for him in a trade-after-franchise situation.
For the record, I think he signs to a longterm deal.
I was just disagreeing with some of the comments that imply that there exists no level of demands that the Ravens would refuse. And as I said, I think there is no chance the Ravens lowball Flacco, and a good chance we overpay him relative to his performance so far; but I don't think there is quite a 0 percent chance that Flacco sticks to crazy demands to the end. I hope that doesn't happen, but I think there is small chance it could.
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Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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05-25-2012, 11:25 AM #203Veteran Poster
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"Top flight" is fairly relative. In 2010, Brady signed a 5 year, $78.5M contract (with $48.5M guaranteed). That is "only" $15.7M per year, but the guaranteed money was huge. In 2012, Peyton signed a 5 year, $96M contract (with only $18M truly guaranteed, and another $40M guaranteed pending a 2013 physical). That is $19.2M per year, but included no signing bonus, so the last two years (at $19M per year) could be jettisoned without much damage.
At some point there has to be a line drawn as to what demands one will give into. It is this line I am trying to a) get people to admit exists, and b) get people to talk about or guess.
In other words, if Flacco demands 7 years for $120M, with $42M guaranteed, what happens?
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05-25-2012, 11:27 AM #204Veteran Poster
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How about 7 for $120M?
And as for level/ability/age, I agree, but people seem to be implying that once a QB is above a certain level of quality, there is no sense in comparing or discriminating regarding the differences in talent levels because you have no choice but to sign him to the best deals around.
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