A thought I had...

**wickedsolo** · 12-16-2012, 06:20 PM

I'm beginning to wonder if this team (coaching staff included) is really truly over losing in New England last year. Sometimes, I don't think they are.

Regarding Flacco - you know...I still believe that this team can win a championship, but I've kind of cooled on him as of late. I think he is good, but he really does need a good OL in front of him and good receivers. I don't think he can "make" things happen out there enough times for THIS current team to be successful. However, with a good supporting cast I think he can be solid. At this point, I think a fair comparison is a quicker Drew Bledsoe.

I think Flacco is the right option for next year, but I do think that if the Ravens are smart they are starting to scout around for other options.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 12-16-2012, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I'm beginning to wonder if this team (coaching staff included) is really truly over losing in New England last year. Sometimes, I don't think they are.

Regarding Flacco - you know...I still believe that this team can win a championship, but I've kind of cooled on him as of late. I think he is good, but he really does need a good OL in front of him and good receivers. I don't think he can "make" things happen out there enough times for THIS current team to be successful. However, with a good supporting cast I think he can be solid. At this point, I think a fair comparison is a quicker Drew Bledsoe.

I think Flacco is the right option for next year, but I do think that if the Ravens are smart they are starting to scout around for other options.

Drew Bledsoe/Matt Schaub are good comparisons.

That's why I think the personel and philosophy should change...I really want one of those guys from the Shanahan/Kubiak coaching tree.

**wickedsolo** · 12-16-2012, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Drew Bledsoe/Matt Schaub are good comparisons.

That's why I think the personel and philosophy should change...I really want one of those guys from the Shanahan/Kubiak coaching tree.

Me too.

I'd love to see Karl Dorrell as the OC here.

I'd also be interested in Jack Del Rio coming here as the HC and replacing Harbs.

**Irish Raven** · 12-16-2012, 06:31 PM

Harbaugh would never ever blame his assistant coaches to the media

Del Rio threw them under the bus every week

Sounds a poisonous atmosphere

**bmorecareful** · 12-16-2012, 06:33 PM

I see that you, too, are now beginning to catch onto what it took me a long time to get. Today was the straw that broke the camel's back. I had made excuses for him for far too long. Even if Flacco heats up down the stretch, all it will prove is that instead of being one of the worst QB's in the league, he's average--good 50% of the time and bad 50% of the time is equal to average.

First, this team needs a coaching shakeup. Harbaugh has lost the locker room and was useless in terms of X's and O's anyway. The offensive and defensive coaching staff is terrible all around. IMO, they need to go out and get a young genius offensive mind like a Jay Gruden... the best candidates I'm aware of are Joe Lombardi in New Orleans, Karl Dorrell in Houston, and Ben McAdoo in Green Bay. I think Ben McAdoo is a major dark horse, he's very young but he's coordinated both the TEs and QBs in Green Bay and been successful coaching their WCO.

Move to the WCO, dump Flacco and trade for Matt Flynn. I'm sure the Seahawks will want to get rid of him and he's a veteran, he should be expected to start out of the gate. I doubt it would take more than a 3rd to a non-conference opponent. The Ravens are going to need to cut all the fat off their contract situation in order to rebuild in 2013... Reed, Lewis, Birk, Leach, Boldin... all gone. That's got to be close to 20m right there.

If they grab Ben McAdoo from Green Bay, maybe Greg Jennings wouldn't mind coming here to play in his offense again? Not sure, but they need to upgrade OL and WR in the offseason in a big way. They need a LT and I think they should move Oher to guard at this point. He can't handle the speed rush or bull rush, what makes people think he'd be better at RT? His TRUE future is at LG.

LT-??? LG-Oher C-Gradkowski/? RG-Yanda RT-Osemele

So, in essence, they need a major offensive makeover in every respect.

**Ravenous1** · 12-16-2012, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I'm beginning to wonder if this team (coaching staff included) is really truly over losing in New England last year. Sometimes, I don't think they are.

Regarding Flacco - you know...I still believe that this team can win a championship, but I've kind of cooled on him as of late. I think he is good, but he really does need a good OL in front of him and good receivers. I don't think he can "make" things happen out there enough times for THIS current team to be successful. However, with a good supporting cast I think he can be solid. At this point, I think a fair comparison is a quicker Drew Bledsoe.

I think Flacco is the right option for next year, but I do think that if the Ravens are smart they are starting to scout around for other options.

Bottom line with Joe is that you know you can win with the right pieces around him. He has proven that. That has more value and brings more stability to a franchise than people give credit for. Try to remember the years before Joe if you need a reminder. Joe was a dropped pass away from a SB with a defense that was not as good as those that Boller played with IMO. He is 9-5 with a sucky Oline, a defense that is shredded by injury. Lets get real folks. Take min and think about that. Wanna blame him for problems ...fine....give him some credit to

There is no QB in the draft who is a Luck or RGB type talent. The FA options are not necessarily guys who have proven that. Alex Smith might be the closest but even he IMO is not even close to Joe in terms of talent . I shudder to think the number Alex Smith would put up in this offensive system.

I think we are spoiled. Its been a tough year and yet we will likely make the playoffs. There are teams out there who would kill for that kind of year in a good year, never mind an off year. All teams have off years, Steelers have and now we are. It sucks but to be reactionary and start ripping apart the team is the wrong way to go. Make changes just make them smartly and not for the sake of making them.

**Corey** · 12-16-2012, 06:37 PM

Wicked you might be on to something. Recall that the last time we finished 9-7 and limped into the playoffs, was also after we lost he AFC championship game. I am sure they are not over it, I am not. But I don't think thats the problem. I think the problem is they (FO, Coaches, Players) allowed getting that close to make them complacent. It's almost like they thought being just a drop away from the Superbowl they didn't need to do much to get back there and go further.

**JoeCool5** · 12-16-2012, 06:38 PM

I asked this in another thread, but I kind of wonder if Joe has been playing hurt? Regardless of my moniker, I am NOT making excuses for him but I have been wondering if he has an undisclosed injury. I ask this because he has just been so off with his throws; a lot of them are high, with no touch or accuracy. Having said that, he was absolutely dreadful today, and I don't care that this was Caldwell's first game as OC. That was an embarrassing performance, and I wonder if we are seeing his final games in a Ravens uniform.

**Ravenous1** · 12-16-2012, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Me too.

I'd love to see Karl Dorrell as the OC here.

I'd also be interested in Jack Del Rio coming here as the HC and replacing Harbs.

I would be ok with Hugh Jackson or Wisenhunt should he get canned by Arizona also.

**RavenMan** · 12-16-2012, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

I see that you, too, are now beginning to catch onto what it took me a long time to get. Today was the straw that broke the camel's back. I had made excuses for him for far too long. Even if Flacco heats up down the stretch, all it will prove is that instead of being one of the worst QB's in the league, he's average--good 50% of the time and bad 50% of the time is equal to average

So in one week, you went from he can still be really good to one of the worst QBs in the league?

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 12-16-2012, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenous1

Bottom line with Joe is that you know you can win with the right pieces around him. He has proven that. That has more value and brings more stability to a franchise than people give credit for. Try to remember the years before Joe if you need a reminder. Joe was a dropped pass away from a SB with a defense that was not as good as those that Boller played with IMO. He is 9-5 with a sucky Oline, a defense that is shredded by injury. Lets get real folks. Take min and think about that. Wanna blame him for problems ...fine....give him some credit to

There is no QB in the draft who is a Luck or RGB type talent. The FA options are not necessarily guys who have proven that. Alex Smith might be the closest but even he IMO is not even close to Joe in terms of talent . I shudder to think the number Alex Smith would put up in this offensive system.

I think we are spoiled. Its been a tough year and yet we will likely make the playoffs. There are teams out there who would kill for that kind of year in a good year, never mind an off year. All teams have off years, Steelers have and now we are. It sucks but to be reactionary and start ripping apart the team is the wrong way to go. Make changes just make them smartly and not for the sake of making them.

Well...he said that he thinks we can win a championship with him as long as we have really good parts around him.

That was a more than fair statement IMHO.

He's just saying that the team may want to look out for maybe a developmental type and if by some chance a QB like Peyton Manning is available, that we look into it.

Not that we let him walk and bring in Michael Vick or Alex Smith or something.