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12-11-2012, 06:18 AM #38Legendary RSR Poster
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12-11-2012, 07:30 AM #39Hyperbolic curmudgeometer
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Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaugh?
Yeah, look at 'em:
January 14, 2001
NFC Championship: New York Giants 41, Minnesota Vikings 0
Quarterback Kerry Collins led the Giants to a victory by throwing for 381 yards and 5 touchdowns in the most lopsided game in NFC Championship game history and the second most lopsided title game ever (after the 1990 AFC Title game). Meanwhile, the Giants shut out the Vikings by limiting them to only 114 offensive yards, sacking quarterback Daunte Culpepper 4 times, and forcing 5 turnovers, and handing the Vikings their first shutout and worst loss in their postseason history.
Ravens fans who remember the Super Bowl run tend to forget that most NFL fans & a clear majority of the national sports media were convinced that the Giants were going to stomp them in SB XXXV. Some of that was wishful thinking, particularly on the part of the press*--the abandonment of Cleveland & Ray's mess in Atlanta were fresh in memory & during the runup to the big game Billick paraded his arrogance in front of them like a bullfighter's cape to take the heat off #52--but Collins' ineptitude in Tampa was a total shock to them after he played like an All-Pro in routing a very good Vikings team two weeks earlier.
* IMHO the smug certainty of the press that the Ravens would be crushed was the most drastic misapprehension of reality by supposedly informed professionals in history--until last November when the Romney campaign trumped** them.
** Pun unintended but I accept the award on behalf of my subconscious...
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Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaugh?
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However, I'm still thinking that Bisciotti definitely had a sit down with Harbs a few weeks ago and said things need to change. Why wouldn't he?
The amount of money he has invested into the offense alone would make any owner do a little digging into why there are inconsistency issues.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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12-11-2012, 08:04 AM #41Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaugh?
Harbaugh had no issue cutting a veteran kicker for an unproven rookie. Why would he have an issue cutting a coordinator? The Harbaugh loyalty meme is getting old.
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12-11-2012, 08:24 AM #43Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaugh?
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Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaugh?
I'm sure that his off-field relationship with Cam played a part in it, but at the end of the day (like I've been saying for months) if Bisciotti comes down and tells Harbs that he needs to fix things because he is unhappy with the situation, then Harbs is going to do just that in order to keep his job. Plain and simple. Was Harbs' loyalty to Pops Mattison strong enough to keep him around? Nope. Same with Cam.
Bisciotti and Ozzie (and I'd like to think Harbs) saw that the offense had stagnated and just wasn't responding to Cam's philosophy.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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12-11-2012, 09:10 AM #46
Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaugh?
Harbaugh isn't demanding top money. Harbaugh doesn't have a list of teams "wanting/needing" him. Harbaugh isn't a cap hit. Harbaugh was a Bisciotti hire.
Flacco thinks he's elite. But he is not. Flacco wants to get paid like an elite QB. But he won't here. Some desperate team like the Cardinals or Chiefs will offer him more money if he's on the market. Flacco's franchise tag will be VERY VERY high (speculation 17mil). Bisciotti and Ozzie aren't totally sold on Flacco.
You do the math.
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12-11-2012, 09:10 AM #47Legendary RSR Poster
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This ... To an extent.
I do believe Harbs had seen enough. Hell, there are reports that Harbs was on board and didn't offer any resistance to the decision.
But like any and all coaching decisions in this league, the owner is going to have a say, and rightfully so.
Bisciotti is a business guy and like any successful businesses, you make decisions like this as a partnership. I am sure this decision was made with the proper folks signing off on it -- Harbs, Ozzie and to some extent, Joe.Last edited by HoustonRaven; 12-11-2012 at 09:18 AM.
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Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaugh?
If you were to ask Steve Bisciotti what the main reason is, as to why the team has been able to win consistently, he would, and has given an answer of Joe Flacco.
He and Harbaugh are safe."Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore
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