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03-06-2013, 02:09 PM #13Pro Bowl Poster
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What, exactly, is a "normal pro style" offense? I mean, it wasn't all that long ago that Green Bay's variation on the fun and gun was considered a gimmicky college offense that couldn't work in the NFL, but now we've apparently re-branded it as tradiitional professional offense?
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03-06-2013, 02:11 PM #14Pro Bowl Poster
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But who other than the staunchest Tebow fanboys says that they don't? Saying that a QB has to be able to make throws in the NFL is the sort of banal point that really doesn't bolster any argument against the viability of the read option system, and would apply to a grand total of zero starting quarterbacks running the read option right now.
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03-06-2013, 02:52 PM #15Pro Bowl Poster
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I think his point is that when you remove the novelty of the read option, it still boils down to being able to consistently, accurately throw the ball. That's exactly where Tebow failed, and CK succeeded. My take on GC's piece is that while some folks get all jazzed over the running aspect of the read option, when you strip it all down, it's still about being able to throw, not run, the ball. And I'm not sure the big advocates of the read option are saying that. They are presenting that package as if it's something so new and improved, a QB can compensate for average throwing ability because of the added threat of the run. And it just doesn't work that way. All the "Wildcat" and "Pistol" frenzies that are the fads of the day eventually come back down to earth.
I also wonder, in addition to the added injury risk factor, if all that running doesn't reduce a QBs throwing accuracy over the course of a game, and a season. The base for the throwing is the legs. And like a boxer, if the legs get weary, the punching accuracy, and in the case of the QB the throwing accuracy, is going to suffer.
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Re: Great cosell column on qb's
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03-06-2013, 03:08 PM #18Legendary RSR Poster
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Time will tell if wilson and ck do well or get hurt like rg111. Never should under estimate good NFL defensive coaches, with enough film and people watching the QBs, a defensive scheme will evolve. Anyone remember the wildcat? One year wonders(Newton) had their days, but now have to realize someone is spying on them,waiting for that big hit. I think wilson,ck,and rg111 will win some games and lose others do to their playing style. A great defense will eat these guys up and hurt them physically. Green bay s defense fell apart with ck and he had a great game. Ravens defense did well until ngata left, but ck threw 3 passes with no completions to lose the game on the last drive. Inexperience maybe, good defensive scheme for sure. Against a defense not rated in the top 10,with a new DC.
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03-06-2013, 03:18 PM #19Pro Bowl Poster
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Average throwing ability? Yeah, I think the read option offense can "compensate" for that, in the sense that it makes the defense focus on multiple things as opposed to having a Kaepernick or Wilson just be a straight drop back pocket passer. But below average or just inadequate passer? No.
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03-06-2013, 03:22 PM #20Pro Bowl Poster
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Well...how would you assess Vick's throwing ability? To me, he was an average thrower, and an above average runner -- for a QB. And throughout his career, he was always able to generate yards running, and to a certain extent passing as well. But he never achieved greatness anywhere he played, aside from the hype surrounding him. And to me, it's because he was an average passer (not below average like Tebow) and that was always his Achilles heel. And no amount of optioning could compensate for it.
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03-06-2013, 03:25 PM #21Hall Of Fame Poster
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