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07-10-2012, 11:58 AM #97
Re: If Flacco improves, could Caldwell replace Cam in 2013?
Flacco will not improve.
He looks "sharp" every offseason, as much as you try, you cannot shine a turd.
Everyone raves about how great he played in
The AFCC, the fact of the matter is that he did not play great at all. Terrible footwork, pocket presence, holding on to ball to long, several bonehead throws including the awful Spikes pick, and another terrible pass right before the missed field goal. Caldwell is not going to fix Flacco, or make him any better, he has reached his ceiling.
Flacco is a average mediocre Quarterback and that's all he will ever be.
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Re: If Flacco improves, could Caldwell replace Cam in 2013?
I don't think many are claiming that Brees or Rivers were ruined by Cam, but it is a fact that they thrived in other offensive schemes after working under Cam for a few years.
I've stated it several times and I'll say it again, Cam's offense is centered around the RB. Period. End of story. He has ever only had 2 receivers go over 1000 yards since becoming the OC in San Diego in 2002 and that was Derrick Mason in Baltimore and Antonio Gates in San Diego. It's extremely difficult for a QB to put up gaudy numbers in his version of the Air Coryell offense because it is RB-centric, whereas Norv's version is very QB-centric.
That's why many who are essentially on the anti-Cam wagon are interested in seeing what Flacco can do with a more innovative and modern offensive coordinator.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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07-10-2012, 01:38 PM #100
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Re: If Flacco improves, could Caldwell replace Cam in 2013?
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Re: If Flacco improves, could Caldwell replace Cam in 2013?
Hey man, I never said he was bad under Cam, he was good, but I stand by my point that he didn't ever put up huge numbers under Cam Cameron either. Those first four years are so similar to Joe Flacco, and arguably worse (not saying they are bad stats for a young QB). Facts are that Cam isn't creative enough, and runs a conservative offense that as Wicked said favours the RB. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that as long as we continue to win, and it is clear that we can even get to the SB and possibly win it playing this way, as was evident in the play offs this year. However if you want to see Flacco put up all those big numbers that other ''elite'' QB's are putting up, then the chances are it wont be happening any time soon with Cam as the OC.
It's also not all to do with passing attempts either. Cam doesn't design creative enough plays for the QB to be as effective as others.
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Re: If Flacco improves, could Caldwell replace Cam in 2013?
But there isn't much wrong with his philosophy either as long as you are winning games. Our offense isn't exactly terrible or even bad under Cam, it's arguably just above average. His philosophy can only work with good defensive teams with a talented RB, put him on a team like Miami and you will see a losing team... oh wait he already did that.
If it works for us that's cool with me. I'd rather us go and have another 4 12-4 seasons and win a SB in the process then go 9-7 and miss the play offs a bunch of times because we want to see Flacco throw for over 4000 yards, but go through the growing pains of a bunch of bad games and picks along the way.
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Re: If Flacco improves, could Caldwell replace Cam in 2013?
ditto... i look at the pass attempts and sure they went up, but so did his yards per att a lot more. he had one season of 7.9 and ended with some regression (passer rating, yds/att), probowler or not they werent getting the most out of him consistently. he goes to NO and they design a system for him and hes perennially a probowler and has 4 seasons of over 7.9 (7.98, 7.98, 8.54, 8.34), which is impressive when considering how much more he was throwing. what most of us have said around here is that theyve never thrown for 4k yards in that system, which they didnt, not that they had a horrible passer rating or yds/att, just that they did more without cam, in Rivers case not even switching systems he saw his completion percentage rise 5%, when in a more passer friendly version. Brees' first year in NO he threw the ball 50 more times than his last in SD yet totaled 900 more yards. Thats telling of a system not designed for large output.
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