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07-30-2013, 11:16 AM #13
Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
Defenses are more and more designed to stop pass heavy teams. If the Ravens establish a powerful running game it will force the defense to bring more defenders in the box. Pass rushers won't have their ears pinned back so they don't take themselves out of a running play. This will allow for more favorable conditions to pass.
I wish I had stats, but my impression is that Torrey was drawing lots of double coverage last year. The simple math of 1 receiver getting 2 defenders has to free up someone to have a more favorable match up. Most teams can take away a weapon if that is their focus. The way Torrey can run away from defenders when he's getting man coverage should be feared, think Champ Bailey in the playoffs. With a strong running game, Joe's arm strength the speed we have a wide receiver, the offense can exploit what the defense gives them. Sticking a defender out on an island is done at the risk that the deep ball will tear the roof off of the defense.
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07-30-2013, 11:18 AM #14Four-eyed Raven
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07-30-2013, 11:20 AM #15
Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
I understand what you are saying, but perhaps the reason Torrey Smith "disappeared" from games was that the passing offense wasn't centered around him, like it is in Detroit with Calvin Johnson. (No, I'm not saying Smith is as good as Johnson). Torrey Smith, in all reality, was the #3 option for Flacco in the offense, behind Boldin and Pitta. So maybe it wasn't so much that he was inconsistent. I know he was targeted a lot in terms of numbers, but many of those were long shots down the field where the odds of completion are smaller, but the purpose (stretching the defense) is achieved. Now that his role looms larger, he might be a whole lot less "inconsistent", as you put it.
But, yes, he needs help and the Ravens need to find it - either in camp or elsewhere.
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07-30-2013, 11:21 AM #16Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
You can stop beating the horse because your point is not a good one, unfortunately. Boldin's numbers don't seem so great without any context, so let's contextualize them. Bare volume numbers on their own don't tell the whole story.
Sure he only caught 65 passes last year, which doesn't sound great, but Flacco only completed 317 passes--15th in the league. Boldin's reception total is 20% of the team reception total. His 921 yards were 24% of the team total. That's right on par with a low-end WR1, especially considering his depth of target and yards per catch were a lot higher than many other WR1s in the league. Add in Pitta's 20% of team receptions and 17.5% of team yards and you're talking about a passing game that has lost 40% effectiveness on the whole.
I'm confident the passing offense won't ACTUALLY lose 40% effectiveness, but that is a HUGE hit. FWIW, Calvin Johnson was less than 40% of the Lions' passing game last year. Julio Jones and Tony Gonzalez were just over 40% of the Falcons' passing game last year. When controlled for the Ravens' historically low VOLUME passing the ball, losing Boldin and Pitta are exactly what they sound like--losing your #1 WR and your top-tier TE.
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Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
Heap and Mason were two of the best pass catchers on the team until they weren't on the team. The Ravens lost productive players in Boldin and Pitta but not great players. This really is a next man up scenario. There just aren't any external options that make sense.
Eli Manning has gone through a ton of receivers in his career and has found a way to keep on rolling. We all like to see Joe Flacco as an Eli Manning type of QB. He's certainly paid to be that type of QB. Now it's put up time and honestly with Caldwell I think he's up to the task.
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07-30-2013, 12:00 PM #18Veteran Poster
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Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
I am not going to say that the Ravens passing game will flourish without Boldin and Pitta, but, as Gota said, we paid a guy elite QB money, it is his job (and Caldwell's) to make it effective, especially in crunch time.
In my opinion, where the team really struggled last year during the season was on defense. And in that regards, there is every reason to think that it will be much improved and mean the difference in 2 or 3 wins over last year's team.
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07-30-2013, 12:09 PM #19Veteran Poster
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Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
And Mason got replaced by a big time, proven FA, and Heap was addressed/replaced by drafting 2 TE's in the early/middle rounds (hoping one or both panned out, and one did, and we'll see if both did). That is a far different scenario than what we are talking about here (assuming we make no further moves).
The total production may not be much to make up, but the reliability (read: 3rd down receptions) could be a significant problem.
I am trying to find a more comprehensive stat database, but this supports what I remember being the case while watching the games (and I think it would be more telling if we could see 3rd and >3):
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/l...e=NFL&rank=105
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07-30-2013, 12:11 PM #20Pro Bowl Poster
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07-30-2013, 12:13 PM #21Pro Bowl Poster
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07-30-2013, 01:19 PM #22Regular 1st Stringer
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07-30-2013, 01:22 PM #23Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
This. If Joe Flacco is worthy of his contract his play will make the WRs effective. Did Drew Brees have more "proven" WRs in his time in New Orleans? Hell no.
If Flacco is worthy of his contract than his play will turn at least one of Thompson, Reed, Williams, Doss, Streeter or the Elon guy into a solid enough WR.
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07-30-2013, 01:30 PM #24Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
Baloney. First of all, Joe IS worthy of his contract. Second, NO QB has ever achieved elite status with crap WRs. NONE. Even going back to Johnny U. So this BS about putting it on Joe to turn garbage into stars is nonsense. And finally, Joe has ALREADY done more with mediocre WRs than any other QB in his grouping. Matty Meltdown has pro bowlers left and right and his stats are only marginally better than Joe's, and his post season success can't even compare. So the notion that Joe has something to prove when it comes to sub par WRs is absurd.
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