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Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100
No, I'm saying that one of the biggest reasons - or most logical reason - for Laurent Robinson's production was because he wasn't (A) the #1 receiver on an offense that favors the pass over the run and (B) he was healthy for the entire season, which is something that IIRC he hasn't been EVER in his career to date.
I don't use stats at all to argue a good receiver vs a bad receiver. It's symbiotic, so obviously a receiver with Peyton Manning on the other end of the ball is going to have a higher probability of putting up "good numbers" versus a receiver who has John Beck throwing him the ball. However, I'm looking at it from the other end of the spectrum. The Ravens' receivers have historically just not been very good. It's not that they're bad players, per se, but they don't necessarily fit the scheme and the Ravens have historically not been very good at developing receivers and/or drafting talented receivers. To date, Torrey Smith is the only receiver the Ravens have drafted that looks the part. Derrick Mason and Anquan Boldin were seasoned vets before even putting on a Ravens uniform. I think a lot of it has to do with scheme and if Jason Garrett were the offensive coordinator here in Baltimore, then maybe we'd likely see the receivers putting up better numbers, but right now they're not and I don't think there is any fan who would say no to trading Boldin for Dez Bryant or Miles Austin straight up. Why? Because they're better players. They're younger, bigger, & faster. It's pretty plain and simple from my perspective.
At the end of the day the W's and L's argument when describing individuals is stupid, for all the reasons given multiple times on this forum and elsewhere. Romo has choked a few times but that moniker, much like P. Manning's is overdone; many times people ignore the fact Romo gave the team the lead in the first place with his 90-100 QB rating, before the rare "choke". We have no idea what happens if Romo and Flacco switched places, but I can tell you with 100% confidence that if the Ravens defense and the Cowboys defense switched places, we don't win against Houston in the playoffs, nor do we win about 4-5 other games last year; and likewise Dallas wins a handful more games easily.
The Ravens defense allowed the Texans back into that playoff game by letting Arian Foster run all over them. If the Texans had Matt Schaub instead of a late round developmental rookie, I think it would have been an entirely different game. Even against a defense that had ridiculous pressure and had 5 sacks on the day, Flacco still found ways to put points on the board and not make costly turnovers. Who led the Ravens back to a W in Pittsburgh after that vaunted Ravens defense let the Steelers take the lead?
Who had their team up 27-3 in the 3rd quarter and threw pick-6's on back-to-back drives to let the Lions back into the game heading into the 4th quarter?
If you put Joe Flacco on the Cowboys of last year I bet they're a playoff team and Flacco probably throws for well over 4000 yards. Not even necessarily because of the receivers, but the offensive philosophy is so geared towards the pass and in Baltimore it's not.
I respect your opinion, but I don't agree with it at all.
I'll take a guy who finds ways to win over a guy with pretty numbers any day of the week.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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05-11-2012, 11:57 AM #51
Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100
Who would you want to drive down the field to attempt to put you ahead in a conference championship game, Flacco or Romo?
For me, Flacco hands down. Not even close. Romo is a good QB and he has had a few comebacks but could he do what Flacco did the last 2 years in Pittsburgh or in NE in the AFCCG? I don't think so, your mileage may vary.
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05-11-2012, 01:01 PM #53
Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100
Wins and losses don't use it in an argument please. Also someone give a specific example how Romo "lost" games. Let's not forget how Flacco has gotten away with making bad decisions in his career. Regardless of the talent on the Cowboys offense Romo puts up the best numbers among all QBs. He's underrated just from all the nonsense of how he loses games by himself lol.
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05-11-2012, 01:15 PM #54
Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100
I'm pretty sure Romo could do that. It would probably be easier for Romo becuase he has better teammates on offense. The problem with the Cowboys defense is that they're bad so the offense had to play in shoot outs. In those games the Ravens defense were able to keep the score close so that it would take one scoring drive to win the game. Playing good defense throughout the game would help the Cowboys win more.
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05-11-2012, 01:22 PM #55
Its pretty fair to judge him by wins and loses when you consider the level of talent around him his entire career.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...r-the-cowboys/
“We win that football game if I don’t do what I did. We lost this game because of me,” Romo said. *“Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”
–Eleanor Roosevelt
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05-11-2012, 01:31 PM #56
Oh yea and:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1...hnson-and-romo
My favorite Romo play was the last play of the game with the 4th and 20 dump off to Felix Jones. LOL.“Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”
–Eleanor Roosevelt
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Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100
A specific example?
Tony Romo threw an interception to Darrelle Revis late in the fourth quarter that set up Nick Folk's 50-yard game-winning field goal against his former team.Tony Romo put the Dallas Cowboys ahead by 24 points with his third touchdown pass right after halftime. That lead wasn't enough after he followed that with three interceptions.
Two of the picks were returned for touchdowns, and the third set up Detroit's game-winning score with 1:39 left as the Cowboys blew their largest lead ever to lose, 34-30 to the undefeated Lions on Sunday."What would you give for the man beside you?"
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05-11-2012, 01:39 PM #58
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05-11-2012, 01:46 PM #59
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Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100
By no means do I think Flacco is the greatest QB in the league, but damn, have the Cowboys even won a playoff game with Romo???
Seriously Flacco may have the worst job in professional sports - being a Ravens QB. He can't win regardless of what he does. The only way his job could be worse is if Tebow was the backup.
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