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03-06-2013, 01:38 PM #13Legendary RSR Poster
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No, it was basically drone strikes in foreign countries (Yemen, IIRC) that we werent even really engaged with. The issue, as I recall, was basically committing acts of war against other countries without the approval of Congress.
Wrong or right, there is a process that just doesnt seem to get followed.
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03-06-2013, 01:50 PM #16Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: 1984...?
I think debate changes when it's on foreign soil. An unarmed drone flew above UBL's compound the days leading up to his whacking. I am totally OK with that. And just as I'd be fine with a smart bomb being used to take out a terrorist riding down the road in some middle eastern city, ally or not. The War Powers Act and other corresponding acts of Congress gives the President (going all the way back to Kennedy) the power with limited military action sans Congressional approval.
Now using a drone to take someone out overseas may be a huge diplomatic debacle, but that's another debate.
When it's our own government, targeting US citizens, it's a completely different ball of wax. Even the biggest crook scum bag in the US deserves due process. That's guaranteed in the Constitution. The prospect of the Executive branch being judge, jury and possibly executioner of US citizens is incredibly chilling and totally unacceptable.
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Re: 1984...?
Everyone should check out Rand Paul filibustering and talking about NDAA, he may touch on drones too.
Good stuff.
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
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How do you prove that they are though?
If they're targeting us gun owners, do you honestly believe that information would be made available to the public?
This is similar to folks claiming the NSA monitors all of our cell phone conversations. Could they? Sure. The technology exists for them to easily do that. Are they? According to them and every other politician, nope and good luck proving otherwise.
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03-06-2013, 02:42 PM #22Legendary RSR Poster
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In both cases, it will come down to the outcome.
If some random Joe at NSA listens to our phone calls, you're right, you wont know it.
But if some drone sees me with my concealed Glock and then all of a sudden Houston's finest is pulling me aside, asking me about my weapon, I'll know. Thankfully, Texas passed a law banning drones for domestic law enforcement use.
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Even then, they could say they pulled your state registration for ccw and compared it with you driver's license.
To me, this is the most depressing aspect of all of these things.
Even if the public wanted to do something, what could they "legally" do?
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