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Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach
Reed- He hasn't been a great tackler for a few years now but last year we started to see the decline of his range too. While it's true that his mental acuity was matched by few, we started to see him out of position more often than years past due to his body not doing what his mind wanted. QB's simply didn't fear Ed as much last year and his gambling started to hurt more than help
Gino-I agree that Gino isn't an upgrade at this point but imo there won't be an alarming drop-off from Birk to him based on 1.) His experience (albeit limited) against the Bengals 1st team D-line last year where he held up well 2.) Being bracketed by what could easily be the top Guard tandem in the league.
Leach-Whatever drop-off there will be in blocking from Leach to Juice will, imo, be more than made up in Juice's pass-catching, versatility and playmaking ability that is much more suited to the presumed direction the offense is heading.
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06-12-2013, 09:53 AM #158Veteran Poster
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I have no concerns whatsoever with the losses of Boldin and Leach. Midway through last year I could not wait until they were off the roster. The offense under Cam with Leach and Boldin was doomed to failure. There would be no creativity as long as Cam and those two were on the roster. Boldin and Leach are one trick ponies. Boldin has basically become a hybrid wr/te. He is a less athletic Aaron Hernandez. Leach is a lead blocker for a power running game. Replacing those two with younger faster guys gives Caldwell a lot more options for the offense he deploys.
The NFL is a young mans game. Rarely do older teams hold up for a deep playoff run. With the salary cap you can't have proven players at every position. The coaching staff has to trust their evaluations of the younger guys let them develop. This year the Ravens are going unproven at C, S and #2 WR. They are going to be starting 1 rookie. The other two guys have been on the roster for the last year. The Ravens have a pretty good idea what they have in those two. Veterans like Reed, Lewis, Kemo, Birk, Leach and Boldin are all trending down. Every year they get a little worse. You can't beat father time. The young guys are trending up. There are still leaders on the team. Webb is already working with the young guys in the secondary. McClain has been around for a long time and will provide leadership at ILB. There is a ton of experience and leadership at OLB and along the Dline. T smith seems like a great teammate and mentor for the young WRs.
The Ravens have a great coaching staff and they will develop the younger players. They have a QB with a ton of confidence. In the salary cap era you are always going to have unproven players and I am surprised at how well the Ravens filled some of the holes with veteran players. Dumervil, Huff, Smith, Canty and Spears are huge pickups. This defense should be much improved over last year. The offense should be more dynamic. Excited to see Pitta and Dickson have breakout years. I am more excited about this team this year than I was about the team last year.
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06-12-2013, 09:54 AM #159
Re: Goodbye Vonta Leach
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06-12-2013, 11:11 AM #160
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Fair. I understand your point and where you're coming from. Earlier posts looked like you were blowing it out of proportion, but if it's growing pains you're suggesting then absoloutely agree with you. We had growing pains last year (aka the entire regular season), but still won. It's hard to speculate too much about how the team will play out as we haven't seen much, if any, of them, so we are left to argue the "on paper" look. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, who knows.
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06-12-2013, 11:16 AM #161
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06-12-2013, 11:25 AM #162
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A lot of good posts with different opinions. Other team's offenses are going to try and exploit weaknesses in our defense. If you are soft against the run, you will be tested. If you a DB that can't cover, they throw at that player.
Last year was the worst running defense in my memory. Teams tried to isolate TEs on our ILB, Carey Williams was abused, etc.
Defense against the run will most definitely be better. We added solid veterans. The biggest weakness in the DL last year to me was at NT. Kemo and Cody were abused last year.
Brown/Smith are both capable of covering at ILB. Smith is a solid pro and although Brown is a Rookie, he's not a long shot. Ray had slowed down too much to cover anyone and Ellerbe wasn't that proficient either. I wasn't sold on Ellerbe since hasn't been able to stay healthy for a season. Not to mention that Ray at his age is more injury prone. No one is going to have Ray's knowledge, but with that came declining skills. I'm optimistic this duo will do well. If Ngata and Williams are the NTs, I'm sure they will make their jobs easier by occupying the OL. McClain will be ready for the season too.
Webb is coming back from knee surgery but from all indications are he will be ready for the season. I assume his play will improve as the season progresses. Even considering his recovery from injury I doubt anyone would prefer to have Williams or Webb. Webb was also an excellent tackler. Webb is our best cover CB, but he is also a better overall defensive player.
Elam should have expectations being a 1st round pick and I really think Huff is not getting enough buzz. His past with the Raiders should consider they were bad. The guy has a lot of talent. How many safeties can fill in proficiently as a CB? We will have much more speed at safety with those 2. Huff ran a 4.34-40. Reed was the greatest pass coverage safety and I'm sure he can still make plays, but he's not the Ed of old. Pollard was a poor cover guy. We have 2 safeties that are faster, younger, both can cover and tackle. As an added bonus, how many penalty flags won't be thrown?
Suggs looks like he showed up ready to return to form. With Dumervil as his bookend we'll have a nasty pass rush this year. Pressuring the quarterback is the best goodwill you can provide the DBs.
On paper I like the moves but there is no certainty in football. Ozzie did a great job of plugging holes. Overpaying for Krueger, Reed and Ellerbe would have been horrible outcome to the CAP space and we would have never had the ability to sign Dumervil and a few others. I have no problem predicting this defense will surpass what last year's unit accomplished.
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06-12-2013, 11:32 AM #163Veteran Poster
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Great post. When compared to last year the defense looks much much better. Pollard battled injuries all year. He was not nearly as effective as he was the previous year. Ellerbe was in and out of the lineup and never completely healthy. Reed was injured all year. Ngata and McPhee were not healthy all year either. Kemo and Cody were a disaster. Between Ngata, Williams and a contract year Cody play should be improved. Jimmy Smith battled injuries all last year. Ray Lewis missed a lot of time with the injury and was probably the biggest liability on defense. It is really amazing that the defense played as well as it did. There are more options at every position this year. Last year the defense was razor thin after the starters.
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06-12-2013, 12:09 PM #164Pro Bowl Poster
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Who didn't see this coming? He was barely used with Caldwell, and FB's don't make 4 million dollars. Plus, Ravens need the cap space in the event of a camp injury or acquire a missing piece before the season or at the trade deadline... plus you can you use the money next year in a roll over. Wise move. I also think you will see a lot more of Pierce in games than the beginning of games and he doesn't need a FB. Peirce and Rices touches might be more a little even than last year. Heck, you can have both in the backfield at the same time and split Rice out in the slot when they go in motion.
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06-12-2013, 12:29 PM #165Regular 1st Stringer
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I look forward to Jimmy Smith stepping up, but I'm also pretty happy with Corey Graham. Ask Peyton Manning about Corey Graham.
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06-12-2013, 12:45 PM #166Pro Bowl Poster
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The main question I have about this move is the timing of it.It seems as if it would have been done earlier it would have not only been more fair to Leach, but also put the team in a position where they could have better utilized that additional cap savings in terms of available FA's in positions of need.
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I can't wait to see Pitta in the slot. Maybe that's why Ravens signed 2 TEs to replace
him like Juice and the Terp, and hopefully they'll use this new cap space to exten him, plus they have Baja and of course Dickson who made a big catch in the SB.
Gronk who? Kiss my ass! ILMAO
Ozzie insists DT or Doss will step up but for now that's the only weak position on
offense on paper, maybe the entire team.
I can't wait to see this defense. Who do you double team?
Ngata? ha
Canty? Wow
Suggs? Hu huh
Elvis? Get out man
Mc Phee - Ask Brady about him.
Then there's ARt, Brown, Spears, Brandon to boot. So much depth.
They can't double team all them dudes. Then we got Webb and Jimmy coming back
plus Corey who iced the Denver game.
Hell, we won the SB w/o Webb and Jimmy won it for us in the end. This front
7 makes it much easier for the back 4 and we added HUff and Elam who is
in the Pollard mold but younger and faster and better in coverage.
We're looking at a repeat guys.Last edited by AirFlacco; 06-12-2013 at 01:02 PM.
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06-12-2013, 12:53 PM #168
Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach
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