Brian Billick compares Conner Cook to Kyle Boller

**HoustonRaven** · 01-09-2017, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by sawraven1

Seriously WTF are you smoking?

Billick gave us a 13 win season.
Billick gave us a 2000 yard RB
Billick was here when we drafted (Suggs, Reed, Ngata, Yanda, Kelly Gregg, Jarrett Johnson, CMAC,Mulitalo, Jamal Lewis, ADALIUS Thomas, tODD hEAP, sAM Koch,
Billick brought in free agents (Derrick Mason, Shannon Sharpe, Samari Rolle
Billick coaching tree (Marvin Lewis, Rich Neiheisel, Mike Nolan, Jack Del Rio, Rex Ryan, Mike Smith, Mike Singletary, Mike Petine, David Shaw, John Fassell, ), all these guys became NFL or NCAA Head coaches.

Billicks teams yieled multiple pro bowlers and at times the best players to every play their positions in (OGden, Ray, Reed, Jermaine Lewis)

His winning percentage is just under Hard Head Harbaughs. But take a look, majority of Harbaughs wins came in the early portion of his career here. He is sub 500 in past 4 years.

He has no where near the coaching tree, or level of talen on this current Roster that was here when Billick was here.

The large difference between Harbaugh and Billick is that Billick had 1 good year from a QB (Mcnairs sole good year) If Brian Billick had a QB of Joes talent for 9 straight years Billick would still be our head coach and would probably have another superbowl title to his name,

You're giving Billick a lot of credit for things he didn't do or had a lot of help doing.

And I'm not sure why a Harbaugh comparison needs to be made. But since you made one, take a gander at Harbuagh's playoff win percentage, number of losing season and overall win total. Billick wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire his last four years either.

**burnwood** · 01-09-2017, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by sawraven1

Seriously WTF are you smoking?

Billick gave us a 13 win season.
Billick gave us a 2000 yard RB
Billick was here when we drafted (Suggs, Reed, Ngata, Yanda, Kelly Gregg, Jarrett Johnson, CMAC,Mulitalo, Jamal Lewis, ADALIUS Thomas, tODD hEAP, sAM Koch,
Billick brought in free agents (Derrick Mason, Shannon Sharpe, Samari Rolle
Billick coaching tree (Marvin Lewis, Rich Neiheisel, Mike Nolan, Jack Del Rio, Rex Ryan, Mike Smith, Mike Singletary, Mike Petine, David Shaw, John Fassell, ), all these guys became NFL or NCAA Head coaches.

Billicks teams yieled multiple pro bowlers and at times the best players to every play their positions in (OGden, Ray, Reed, Jermaine Lewis)

His winning percentage is just under Hard Head Harbaughs. But take a look, majority of Harbaughs wins came in the early portion of his career here. He is sub 500 in past 4 years.

He has no where near the coaching tree, or level of talen on this current Roster that was here when Billick was here.

The large difference between Harbaugh and Billick is that Billick had 1 good year from a QB (Mcnairs sole good year) If Brian Billick had a QB of Joes talent for 9 straight years Billick would still be our head coach and would probably have another superbowl title to his name,

You deserve a gold star for this post.

**BcRaven** · 01-09-2017, 04:18 PM

Don't want to get involved in the "Billick vs. Harbaugh" debate, but I just can't help thinking of their similarities :
Billick started out strong, brought us our 1st Super Bowl, then his teams faded and he was fired.
Harbaugh started like a house afire, our 2nd Super Bowl victory, and now seems to be losing his grip too. Deja vu? ,,, Bc

**sawraven1** · 01-09-2017, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

You're giving Billick a lot of credit for things he didn't do or had a lot of help doing.

And I'm not sure why a Harbaugh comparison needs to be made. But since you made one, take a gander at Harbuagh's playoff win percentage, number of losing season and overall win total. Billick wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire his last four years either.

What are you talking about Billick shouldn't get credit for his coaches? HOW? Look at the long list of coaches I listed that were under Billick.

Here are the numbers and they don't lie.

Billick
regular season (80-64) winning percentage .556
Post season 5-3 percentage .625

Hard Head
Regular season 85-59 percentage .590
Post season 10-5 percentage .667

Not much of a difference there in the win totals.

The huge difference between the two is Billick went through a huge roster salary cap purge. Harbaugh has not.
Billick also never had a decent QB for 9 straight seasons either. Harbaugh has had same QB for 9 seasons, and Joe only missed games last year.

So for all you Hard Head Harbaugh apologists what has Harbaugh done last 4-5 years? Not a whole hell of a lot.

Any of you who think Billick was a worse coach need your head examined. Billick could atleast run the offense if needed. Harbaugh cant do that.

**sawraven1** · 01-09-2017, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

You're giving Billick a lot of credit for things he didn't do or had a lot of help doing.

And I'm not sure why a Harbaugh comparison needs to be made. But since you made one, take a gander at Harbuagh's playoff win percentage, number of losing season and overall win total. Billick wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire his last four years either.

Hey here is another one since you seem to know the numbers so well and are so sure my statement was so wrong.

Last 4 years of each coaches career. Guess who is the worse coach?

Billick (33 wins & 31 losses)
2004 9-7 record
2005 6-10
2006 13-3
2007 5-11

Hard Head Harbaugh (31 wins & 33 losses)
2013 8-8
2014 10-6 ( Make no mistake, if Gary Kubiak was not here in 2014 this inept offense would have started 1 season earlier and we never would have saw 10-6)
2015 5-11
2016 8-8

So if you want to talk about which coach has done more with less and especially in last 4 years of each career.

**ERey** · 01-09-2017, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by HotInHere

It's true, Boller was surrounded by crap for most of his career. But it's interesting that Boller/Wright went 6-10 with Mason, Clayton, and Heap in 2005. The next year, McNair comes in and goes 13-3 with the same receivers.

And in 2008 Joe Flacco is one scoring drive in the Championship Game away from the Super Bowl with Mason, Clayton and Heap. Amazing how a good QB changes everything.

**The Excellector** · 01-09-2017, 04:56 PM

The one thing that I will always be grateful for is that, he alone almost made my dream come true. Randy Moss was almost a Raven. However, the Minnesota Vikings were a bunch of pricks who wanted to stick it to Randy and sent him to Oakland for less than they would have got from Ozzie.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-09-2017, 04:59 PM

I will always appreciate how Billick captured magic in a bottle with the Ray Lewis incident. He used that as the 'us against the world' mantra like a pro. Shut down the media, took the blunt of criticism on himself and rode it to a SB win. It was brilliant

**crazyraven** · 01-09-2017, 05:04 PM

One thing Billick does know is bad QB's. if he thinks Conner is comparable, I have to take him at his word and experience.

**BcRaven** · 01-09-2017, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

I will always appreciate how Billick captured magic in a bottle with the Ray Lewis incident. He used that as the 'us against the world' mantra like a pro. Shut down the media, took the blunt of criticism on himself and rode it to a SB win. It was brilliant

Billick was the right coach at the right time. I'm sure you remember this :

"When you go in the lion's den, you don't tippy toe in. You carry a spear, you go in screaming like a banshee, you kick whatever doors in, and say, 'Where's the son of a bitch!' If you go in any other way you're gonna lose."
- Brian Billick

... Bc

**The Fanatic** · 01-09-2017, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

Umm, maybe the 2000 yard back? (so the line couldn't have been THAT bad)

And there was nothing that forced the Ravens to start Boller from day one.

Don't get me wrong, I loved me some Jamal Lewis but he seriously benefited from playing against the Browns that year to the tune of 500 yards alone against them(Nearly 1/4 of his season total in those two games). The other 14 games he averaged about 107 yards. Nothing to sneeze at but still not exactly Zeke Elliott and that line he's got. If the line was that good I would think he would have averaged ore then 107 in the other 14 games.

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

I will always appreciate how Billick captured magic in a bottle with the Ray Lewis incident. He used that as the 'us against the world' mantra like a pro. Shut down the media, took the blunt of criticism on himself and rode it to a SB win. It was brilliant

I agree. He was the perfect guy to bring in at the time he was brought in with that brash attitude that this team needed. Without him and that speech bit at media day I'm not so sure we even get to the Superbowl let alone win it.

**Ravens75** · 01-09-2017, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by The Fanatic

Don't get me wrong, I loved me some Jamal Lewis but he seriously benefited from playing against the Browns that year to the tune of 500 yards alone against them(Nearly 1/4 of his season total in those two games). The other 14 games he averaged about 107 yards. Nothing to sneeze at but still not exactly Zeke Elliott and that line he's got. If the line was that good I would think he would have averaged ore then 107 in the other 14 games.

Honestly the reason Jamal didn't get more yards was the Ravens had no receiving threats at all that year save for Todd Heap. If the Ravens had one legit WR, they would've been the greatest play action offense of all time because Jamal was regularly beating 8 and even 9 man fronts.

What he did was have one of the three greatest rushing seasons of all time because he had no other threats to help him out.

Shame on Ozzie and the Ravens for not getting better personnel.