HHS Says Religious-Affiliated Organizations Must Cover Contraception

**NCRAVEN** · 02-13-2012, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

So my posts were spot on and Galen can't counter them or reply to your questions.

Cause he doesn't know the answers.

And dont forget what I said that Galen ignored, the Catholic owned insurance companies will have to go out of business
and lay people off.

Don't let him fool you AF.

It's not that he can't answer, he chooses not to. If he did he would have to admit the flaws in his beliefs.

I mean how could you answer my last question with out exposing the flaws. I'd imagine the answer would go something like this:
That is flat out wrong,for the POTUS to come and tell me how to run MY business. Him telling me I have to give things for free to some patients is just going to have the cost passed on to others who don't need those services, driving up my prices and potentially putting me out of business.

See, doing that would mean you're a hypocrite if you had a problem with the Government telling you what to do, but being okay with them having full power to do what ever they want to others

**AirFlacco** · 02-13-2012, 06:08 PM

Great post and point.

Lol

**Galen Sevinne** · 02-13-2012, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Don't let him fool you AF.

It's not that he can't answer, he chooses not to. If he did he would have to admit the flaws in his beliefs.

You do understand what is meant by "false equivalence" right? Just checking.

**AirFlacco** · 02-13-2012, 09:03 PM

Give it up Galen. You're getting your ass kicked in here.

Rush was sure right, OBY didn't cave. He got what he wanted.

Today the WH says there's nothing new about what he announced on Fri.
It's the same result but there are two Cath groups, one Galen mentioned
that liked it even though it changed nothing.

Meanwhile, the Bishops smelled a rat and still oppose.

This is tooooo funnnnnnyy. Link says OBY announced a new policy
but now says there's nothing new about it. It just speeds
things up.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pres...ief-staff-says

**Galen Sevinne** · 02-13-2012, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Okay, then answer this. How would you feel about the POTUS telling you what services you offer to your clients? Forget the free part.

Well let's think of something that around 85% of my clients would ask for.....ummmmmmm....hmmmmmmm...thinking......................................

......................okay, I would guess that 85% of my clients might ask for some type of relaxation technique. Maybe they would ask for a meditation practice or some type of mindfulness training. I would guess this idea might get 85% approval and it is something insurance companies do not currently cover as far as a standard psychotherapy hour. Does the analogy work for you? In some ways it also taps into the spirtual realm as it is an Eastern approach to spirituality.

So let's review the analogy for equivalence:

1. 85% of my clients would probably want this benefit.

2. Insurance currently doesn't cover it as a benefit so they would have to pick it up as a new benefit.

3. There is even a religious/spiritual quality to the practice or at least it taps into that realm as does contraception.

So how would I feel about this? Including the fact that insurance companies (ie. client's premium) are going to foot the bill. How would I feel about Obama mandating this on my practice?

Where do I sign up?

**NCRAVEN** · 02-13-2012, 10:47 PM

Playing stupid to pretend to miss the point of the question I see. Moving on.

**Galen Sevinne** · 02-13-2012, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Playing stupid to pretend to miss the point of the question I see. Moving on.

Sorry dude but you can try to whittle this thing down to something that fits into your rigid little black and white world but its really not fitting there too well. In the end Obama is mandating something 85% want and are probably willing to pay for through their insurance premiums. The Church's role in it has been diminished to the satisfaction of most everyone except some 75 year old Bishops who are well past thier times as contemporary figures. The world moves on and you might as well hang it up and move on with it.

**AirFlacco** · 02-13-2012, 11:57 PM

That 85% stat is wrong and another stat pulled out
of Galen's ass.

This Rasmussen poll shows 54% favor repeal of O BUMMER
CARE.

That doesn't come out to 85%, except out of Galen's
ass. Nothing but Galen BS.

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the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 54% of Likely Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law, while 41% oppose repeal. These figures include 39% who Strongly Favor repeal and 27% who Strongly Oppose it.
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Galen's ass is kicked again.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ealth_care_law

**Galen Sevinne** · 02-14-2012, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

That 85% stat is wrong and another stat pulled out
of Galen's ass.

This Rasmussen poll shows 54% favor repeal of O BUMMER
CARE.

That doesn't come out to 85%, except out of Galen's
ass. Nothing but Galen BS.

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the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 54% of Likely Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law, while 41% oppose repeal. These figures include 39% who Strongly Favor repeal and 27% who Strongly Oppose it.
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Galen's ass is kicked again.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ealth_care_law

Come on Trap...you are sleeping in class again. Do I need to move you up front so you are closer to me? we are talking about contraception not the healthcare. You need to try to focus here. Did you take your Adderall today?

**AirFlacco** · 02-14-2012, 12:46 AM

GALEN -

The whole contraception/health care issue is part
of OBUMMER CARE. HHS is a federal agency
enforcing this contraception coverage under the
law.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/cochr...erage-mandate/

WE'RE DISCUSSING THE INSURANCE'S ROLE. THAT
IS MANDATED BY THE NEW LAW. THAT WAS PART
OF THE SO CALLED COMPROMISE THAT WASN'T A
COMPROMISE THAT THE INSURANCES WOULD COVER
IT NOT THE CHURCH BUT THE CHURCH IS PAYING
FOR THE INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES AND MANY INSURANCE COMPANIES
ARE CATHOLIC OWNED.

YOU SAID 85% WOULD FAVOR INSURANCE COVERAGE OF CONTRACEPTIONS.

I SAID BS, 54% FAVOR REPEAL OF THE LAW WHICH
ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION COMES UNDER AND IF THE
LAW IS REPEALED OR STRUCK DOWN BY THE SC
WE WON'T HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ANY MORE.

AS COULTER SAID - THE INSURANCES ARE BEING USED

LIKE COMMUNISM. THEY'RE BEING FORCED TO
COVER THIS STUFF. IT WAS NEVER EVEN DISCUSSED
UNTIL O BUMMER CARE CAME ALONG AND
MANDATED IT.

AS THE CATO LINK ABOVE STATES, INSURANCE COVERAGE IS FOR CATASTROPHIC PURPOSES.

GIVE IT UP GAL.

**Galen Sevinne** · 02-14-2012, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

GALEN -

The whole contraception/health care issue is part
of OBUMMER CARE. HHS is a federal agency
enforcing this contraception coverage under the
law.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/cochr...erage-mandate/

WE'RE DISCUSSING THE INSURANCE'S ROLE. THAT
IS MANDATED BY THE NEW LAW. THAT WAS PART
OF THE SO CALLED COMPROMISE THAT WASN'T A
COMPROMISE THAT THE INSURANCES WOULD COVER
IT NOT THE CHURCH BUT THE CHURCH IS PAYING
FOR THE INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES AND MANY INSURANCE COMPANIES
ARE CATHOLIC OWNED.

YOU SAID 85% WOULD FAVOR INSURANCE COVERAGE OF CONTRACEPTIONS.

I SAID BS, 54% FAVOR REPEAL OF THE LAW WHICH
ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION COMES UNDER AND IF THE
LAW IS REPEALED OR STRUCK DOWN BY THE SC
WE WON'T HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ANY MORE.

AS COULTER SAID - THE INSURANCES ARE BEING USED

LIKE COMMUNISM. THEY'RE BEING FORCED TO
COVER THIS STUFF. IT WAS NEVER EVEN DISCUSSED
UNTIL O BUMMER CARE CAME ALONG AND
MANDATED IT.

AS THE CATO LINK ABOVE STATES, INSURANCE COVERAGE IS FOR CATASTROPHIC PURPOSES.

GIVE IT UP GAL.

Are you drinking in class???

**AirFlacco** · 02-14-2012, 02:12 AM

GALEN - Again, and for the final time you said:

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In the end Obama is mandating something 85% want and are probably willing to pay for through their insurance premiums.
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Again, OBY is mandating something. I proved that
85% wrong. The majority don't wont to pay thru
their insurance programs. This has never been
related before until O BUMMER CARE.

That's why it's called O BUMMER CARE.

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The Obama administration has approved a recommendation from the Institute of Medicine suggesting that it force insurance companies to pay for birth control and drugs that can cause abortions under the Obamacare government-run health care program.
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IT IS BEING FORCED, FORCED, FORCED ON
INSURANCE COMPANIES TO PAY FOR .......

http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/...t_ceiling.html

Insurance is for catastrophic purposes, not to prevent
getting knocked up but the cost of everyone's insurance will rise to cover contraceptives.

Two posters are backing me up, not you.

You are being ridiculous.