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07-30-2013, 01:46 PM #26Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
No. But it doesn't surprise me. And it doesn't change reality -- Joe has proven himself time and time again. So if this guy wants to keep spewing crap, and no one else cares to set him straight, I'll be glad to oblige. At least for a while. After that, I'll just let it go.
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07-30-2013, 03:22 PM #27Veteran Poster
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Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
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I've already said that this team's main strength will be a physical down hill running game with a very strong defensive front that will create multiple 3 and outs. We could end up having one of the best pass rush in the league, and we get Webb back at corner, who along with Elam, will make plays all over the field. What we lost in the passing offense, we made up for on defense which was a huge weakness last season.
With Caldwell in place at OC, the passing offense will be more effective even with less than what Cam had to work with. We have a massive Oline that can give Joe enough time and can punish smaller defensive fronts in the run game. Let's not forget about Rice, Pierce and Leach.
Basically I see us being the same old Ravens that win a bunch of games by physically imposing our will. Only this time, we have an OC who can adapt and change the game plan, and a QB who can make all the throws.
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Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
I agree. Eli Manning turned Steve Smith, Mario Manningham and Kevin Boss into good starting pass catchers. In fact they've now had 3 different Tight Ends in 3 years with big numbers. The only constant is Manning. Joe Flacco is being paid to do the same thing. At least 1 of those guys is going to have a ton of balls thrown his way and is going to step up.
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07-30-2013, 03:52 PM #30
Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
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07-30-2013, 04:01 PM #31
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07-30-2013, 04:05 PM #32
The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
I think it's a logical flaw to imply (or flat-out say, as some have) that Tom Brady makes his receivers good. I think his receivers would want a word with you on that line of thinking. No, they were good while playing with Tom Brady. There's a difference. They got open and caught the ball when it came to them, and they got yards after the catch. If the receivers don't, can't, or won't do those things, the quarterback is meaningless. Being accurate and having good timing doesn't do much for you if there's nobody to safely throw the ball to or if they don't catch it when it comes their way. We need our receivers to perform to that level. Joe Flacco can't "make them" do it and it's not his fault if they don't. If the players just don't have it, the quarterback being able to make the throws isn't going to make them suddenly get separation and catch the ball.
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07-30-2013, 04:14 PM #33Veteran Poster
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Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
Couple of thoughts on the offense. We don't know how it is going to do because we don't know if players are going to step up or not. The NFL in the salary cap era makes teams go into seasons with unproven players. I can tell you the one thing that rarely if ever works is bringing in burned out veterans on the downside of their career.
It is not on Joe to get the most out the receivers that are on the squad but rather on Caldwell. Green Bay has rotated wrs in and out with success because of the offense they run and the plays they call. Rogers is a great QB but it also helps that the OC creates mismatches for him to exploit. Cam ran the offense he wanted to run regardless of the players and opponent. That is why you have seen all the top offensive players go through droughts while he was OC. You can only run Torrey on so many go routes before defenses start bracketing him.
Pitta will be sorely missed but I won't miss Boldin. If you take the playoffs out of it Boldin was the 4th best player on offense last year behind Flacco, Tsmith, Rice and Pitta. With Pitta out we could certainly use Boldin. The biggest drag on the offense last year was having Boldin as a #2. Play action out of the I was not effective because teams would cover him with a corner no problem. Tsmith would be bracketed. Joe ended up throwing it up for grabs to Smith hoping for a PI most of the time as no one was open. The offense did not start having success until they moved Boldin inside and put Jones on outside. If Thompson and Jones can burn a few corners on the outside it will open up things.
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07-30-2013, 04:21 PM #35Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.
No problem. Torrey Smith, Ed Dickson, and Ray Rice are never going to be confused with Julio Jones, Roddy White, Tony Gonzales, and Michael Turner. (And "garbage" was primarily a reference to David Reed & Tandon Doss, the names the Ravens have been using as the reason they didn't pick up any proven NFL WRs. But Ed "Stone Hands" Dickson could easily fall into that category as well, and to date even Jacoby Jones has not established himself as a bona fide NFL #2 WR either.)
What's funny is how commentators talk incessantly about the need to surround QBs with high level talent if they want the offense to get to the next level. Except when it comes to Joe.
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07-30-2013, 04:36 PM #36
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