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12-05-2012, 11:34 AM #61
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Dont take this the wrong way but if it doesn't your a damn fool. Why is every one bitching and moaning about Harbaugh right now? Because people don't think he can lead us to a Superbowl. You mean to tell me if he actually does go on and win the Superbowl, the ultimate prize in football people will still question whether he can get there. That makes no fucking sense at all. Sorry.
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12-05-2012, 11:40 AM #62Veteran Poster
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LOL. Somebody posted "Rules for being a fan" or some sort of thing a while back. And I remember one was: "If your head coach wins a championship, you cannot criticize him for five years." Losing a championship is a totally different story, but if he wins one, he gets a "get out of jail free" card that is good for 5 years.
Look at Gruden in TB. He won the championship in 2002, and it took 6 years of fairly mediocre teams before he was let go.
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12-05-2012, 11:45 AM #63
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12-05-2012, 04:03 PM #64
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I'm not trying to overthink this, but I really believe there's regional mentality for football. Harbaugh (from Ohio, played at Miami of Ohio, disciple of Schembechler,) Cameron (played and coached at Indiana, coached at Michigan,) and Mattison (born in Wisconsin, coached at Michigan,) all have Midwestern football roots. There's an emphasis on toughness, nothing flashy, don't take risks, stick with proven methods rather than innovation. Nothing wrong with that. But then look at successful coordinators like Rex (disciple of Buddy Ryan) and Pagano (Miami) who are extremely aggressive, unpredictable. I think there's definitely different football ideologies.
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12-05-2012, 04:17 PM #65Hall Of Fame Poster
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I'm missing what the criticism of Harbaugh is here.
He has been to playoffs every year he has coached. Made it to the championship game a couple of times. Should have been in the SB but lost out on that because of a drop.
He's not exciting. He doesn't seem to be an offensive or defensive genius. But the man wins.
Billick in the same organization did great and then not so great, and then great again in his coaching. Very up and down. Harbaugh has brought consistency of results. He is clearly doing something right.
And I know it's against custom around here, but I certainly don't feel the Ravens are clearly a more talented team that SHOULD go to the SB this year. In fact, I thought the Ravens did not have much of a chance to win the SB this year. I had this seen as a step back year. Yet, again the Ravens are at the top of the division.
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12-05-2012, 04:59 PM #66
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Your frustration is understandable but the logic is flawed.
Last year's Giants lost twice to the Rex Grossman led Redskins and an Eagles team with Vince Young at QB.
10 Packers lost a McNabb led Skins, Henne led Dolphins & Stanton led Lions
09 Saints lost to a 2-12 Bucs team after losing to a 8-5 Cowboys to end an undefeated campaign
07 Giants lost to Tavaris Jackson led Vikings 41-17 and Todd Collins led Redskins
06 Colts lost to 4-6 Titans led by Vince Young and 44-17 to Garrard led Jags
05 Steelers lost to 2-7 Ravens led by Boller
It's almost a prerequisite that the eventual Super Bowl winner has at least 1 bad/embarrassing loss on their way to righting things. I'm not saying that the Ravens will win the Superbowl this year but every coach in the league is a safe bet not to win it. Insert any coach's name in front of won't win it this year and you'll likely be right.
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12-05-2012, 05:03 PM #67iggyman555 Guest
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12-05-2012, 05:05 PM #68Veteran Poster
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12-05-2012, 05:34 PM #71
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12-05-2012, 05:34 PM #72iggyman555 Guest
Re: John Harbaugh
[QUOTE=JohnBKistler;529290]Soooo...you basically think the problem is Harbaugh/Cameron/Flacco. Everybody goes? What about Newsome?[/QUOTE
youre absolutely right i agree with you..the problem is combination of harbage/cam/joe...cam can go, harbage hopefully realizes some shit and grows some balls and fires cam...oz is staying not sure why u wuld fire him???
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