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10-22-2007, 07:35 PM #109
Re: Boller is ready to lead
Not to further slap you make you cry and whine, because you've been doing great, but here are my thought threads. Let's see, you say they have been ignored huh?
First of all you've never slapped me or anyone else you act too much like a baby (oops did i offend...dont want to spin you into a tizzy to early in this post) to deal with any type of critism about Kyle. Say something bad about Kyle and off to Stingers Ignore list you go. Truth is your just hiding cause you dont want your face to hurt cause you've been slapped into yesterday so many times you had to take a whole fucking year off in therapy. Every board you go to there is always someone out there bugging poor little stinger and stinger alwasy says he has to stay away. Wah WAH WAHH. You always become discouraged or pissed or whatever and you make it like you are punishing the masses by your dramtic exits. GO! This way I can kick you out again. Thing is you'll just come back like a bitch and talk about Kyle like he's Johnny Untias.
But Hey.... I am glad to see ya back.
If you think 34 and 17 post is popular after all the shit you put in that damn post you need to get your head examine. You need to check out some of QB threads stats to get a clue.
Go start a blog if your going to fill up this site with so much BS. Stop playing with your blackberry and maybe enjoy life or start a family. Way too much time to be sittng on the back of a boat posting on 24 fuckin 7WOW! I feel so fortunate that the Ravens did what they had to do to make this happen. Thank you. My Heart is with the Raven....My Heart is with Baltimore and its great fans. What can I say. Here We Go!!! --Ray Lewis
No, Thank you Ray... :ww:
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Re: Boller is ready to lead
"Poised" maybe wasn't the right word.....how about 'composure'......
No. He has bad 'mechanics'!!! Has he learned some "poise" since McNair came? Sure. But the mechanics have always been the same and they won't get better!!
Fair enough...we're all adults I think.....that was maybe a low blow....
Look, YOU used knowledge of him in 'current' terms in relation to comparing him to the 'current' Boller and Ravens. I merely stated that inserting him in the current offense (which you brought up) would make us a measurably better offense, even with the current playcalling. He is simply a better QB in all aspects!!!
Agree with you 100%....I stated that in my original post
Here's Brady stats from last year: 3,529 yards and 24 TD's to powerhouse WR's Troy Brown, Jabar Gaffney, and Reche Caldwell and other position players. He put up great numbers with mediocre WR's. Now he has 3 excellent receivers and is really showing what he's capable of!!!
No disagreement there!!!!!!
If it were possible, I'd take my chances!!!!
He came in for an injured Drew Bledsoe and was sacked 41 times!! and had a 86.5 rating for the year. In his second year (2001) he was sacked 26 times and had an 87.9 rating.
In Boller's rookie year he was only sacked 17 times, but had a rating of 62.4. In his second year he was sacked the most in his career, 35 times, and had a rating of 70.9. Any way you stack it Brady is/was a better QB, given his stats!!!
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10-22-2007, 10:35 PM #111
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Composure and poise are two different things. Composure I can concede to you. Composure however comes from confidence in your teammates. After getting the crap beat out of you the week before, and for that matter for 4 years, how much confidence honestly do you think Boller has in his offensive line?
That's why I used the word "shellshocked".
No. He has bad 'mechanics'!!! Has he learned some "poise" since McNair came? Sure. But the mechanics have always been the same and they won't get better!!
The problem Boller has is that he throws sometimes when backpeddling without setting. When he steps into his throws, and we've seen him do it plenty, his throws are right on. So I don't believe that he can't be snapped out of back foot throws. It's not like he's never thrown the ball correctly before. Is it frustrating? Absolutely. Is it correctable? Absolutely.
Look, YOU used knowledge of him in 'current' terms in relation to comparing him to the 'current' Boller and Ravens. I merely stated that inserting him in the current offense (which you brought up) would make us a measurably better offense, even with the current playcalling. He is simply a better QB in all aspects!!!
Here's Brady stats from last year: 3,529 yards and 24 TD's to powerhouse WR's Troy Brown, Jabar Gaffney, and Reche Caldwell and other position players. He put up great numbers with mediocre WR's. Now he has 3 excellent receivers and is really showing what he's capable of!!!
If it were possible, I'd take my chances!!!!
He came in for an injured Drew Bledsoe and was sacked 41 times!! and had a 86.5 rating for the year. In his second year (2001) he was sacked 26 times and had an 87.9 rating.
In Boller's rookie year he was only sacked 17 times, but had a rating of 62.4. In his second year he was sacked the most in his career, 35 times, and had a rating of 70.9. Any way you stack it Brady is/was a better QB, given his stats!!!
As for 2004, we were 1:49 away from the playoffs, but that is another arguement that has been beaten like a dead horse. Again, Tom Brady wasn't throwing to Clarance Moore either.
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Re: Boller is ready to lead
Come on man......I backed up what you said with facts and want to see if you have anything else to prove your point in regards to Boller vs. Brady. It ain't gonna happen so we're arguing over a stupid subject, BUT, I'll go out on a limb here and say that at least 90% of the posters on this board would take Brady in a heartbeat over Boller/McNair AND that we would be a measurably better team with Brady at the helm!
Our O-line hasn't been that bad this year, even with all the injuries. McNair has been sacked 4 times and Boller's been sacked 5 times. Brady's been sacked 7 times. Thats only a difference of 2 sacks. The numbers don't stack up for your argument.
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10-23-2007, 12:37 AM #113
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Anyone who's going to argue our offensive line is as good as Brady's borders on the rediculous.
The reason your "facts" don't add up is because like many who try to use nothing but numbers you fail to factor in other things. And trying to claim our offensive line is not that bad because Brady's only been sacked 2 less times shows a lack of ability to make those connections. I'll try to help you though. Add in hurries and hit while thrown into your equation and get back to us on how great our offensive line is as opposed to the Patriots.
For a second, I really thought I was talking to Tex. The fact you're even making this arguement has shattered any credibility you may have had coming into our conversation. :/Last edited by StingerNLG; 10-23-2007 at 12:42 AM.
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I never said our line is as good as the Pats. I said they've done an admirable job considering the injuries
The reason your "facts" don't add up is because like many who try to use nothing but numbers you fail to factor in other things. And trying to claim our offensive line is not that bad because Brady's only been sacked 2 less times shows a lack of ability to make those connections. I'll try to help you though. Add in hurries and hit while thrown into your equation and get back to us on how great our offensive line is as opposed to the Patriots.
For a second, I really thought I was talking to Tex. The fact you're even making this arguement has shattered any credibility you may have had coming into our conversation.
Actually, on second thought, you're right, I'm wrong. Boller would be as good as Brady if he had the Pats' O-line!
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10-23-2007, 05:09 AM #115Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Boller is ready to lead
Its funny how the Boller huggers want to throw the entire team under the bus, yet McNair plays behind the same offensive line and doesn't seem to struggle nearly as much. Granted McNair is battling injury right now, but once he gets rigth I expect to see him back to his same methodical efficiency.
Boller on the other hand, is a roller coaster ride. Sure, he can complete that amazing throw once or twice in a 60 minute span, but he is also going to go 3 & out on half his drives, stalling midfield and putting the defense out there in bad situations. He can't avoid pressure at all, instead of stepping up in the pocket he is going to tuck and run, usually right into the defense. Then we get to hear how its all the offensive line sucking or the defense sucking, the same units that seem to be light years better when McNair is under center.
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10-23-2007, 09:18 AM #116
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Actually, on second thought, you're right, I'm wrong. Boller would be as good as Brady if he had the Pats' O-line!
A healthy Mcnair made this team a 13-3 last year, Brady would only bring it to another level.WOW! I feel so fortunate that the Ravens did what they had to do to make this happen. Thank you. My Heart is with the Raven....My Heart is with Baltimore and its great fans. What can I say. Here We Go!!! --Ray Lewis
No, Thank you Ray... :ww:
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10-23-2007, 10:40 AM #117
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Boller on the other hand, is a roller coaster ride. Sure, he can complete that amazing throw once or twice in a 60 minute span, but he is also going to go 3 & out on half his drives, stalling midfield and putting the defense out there in bad situations. He can't avoid pressure at all, instead of stepping up in the pocket he is going to tuck and run, usually right into the defense. Then we get to hear how its all the offensive line sucking or the defense sucking, the same units that seem to be light years better when McNair is under center.
First off, stalling at midfield and punting is hardly putting our defense in a bad situation. Sunday he committed absolutely no turnoves and at no time did he put the defense in a bad situation. They did that all by themselves with the continual off-sides penalties.
As for you "3 & out on half his drives" if you have a solid take here let's see it. Where are your statistics to back this up and where are your stats to show McNair has done better.
He was sacked one time Sunday, holding the ball too long and also scrambled out of pressure and getting 7 yards for a first down another time. Your take he can't escape pressure is nonsense.
The offensive line isn't light years better when McNair is in, nor is McNair. JO played last year, he hasn't this year. This effects the passing game a lot, a TE or back stays in to help Gaither a lot. This cuts down on the targets available. McNair was playing with Terry who needs less help. McNair had Flynn. Boller has been the one playing with 3 rookies on the OL. Yes, McNair had some time in that combo so here's a challenge to your premise, PROVE IT! What were McNair's stats compared to Boller's when playing with the 3 rookies on the line.
By the way, I am not one who is calling for Boller to start over McNair (when healthy). It is getting close for me but I want to see McNair healthy before passing final judgement. But Boller played fine Sunday. Not good enough to carry a team to the win but if special teams or the defense had stepped up at all we win the game.
So come on, let's see some links to back up your comparisons. I'll wait.
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10-23-2007, 11:09 AM #118
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Doesn't struggle as much? Then why isn't he scoring TD passes? Or can't throw beyond 5 yards?
Have you been watching the same Ravens games as I have? McNair's sucktitude goes back to at least the Buffalo home game last season. I don't think it's the injury -- he's nearing the washed up phase, if not already there.
True, a healthy McNair may have made one of the three short passes called around the 2:00 mark; but there's no way he would have made those long passes made by Boller to the WRs, or the 4th & long TD pass to Mason.
Total team effort - we would have lost with either QB.In a 2003 BBC poll that asked Brits to name the "Greatest American Ever", Mr. T came in fourth, behind ML King (3rd), Abe Lincoln (2nd) and Homer Simpson (1st).
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10-23-2007, 11:33 AM #119Regular 1st Stringer
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10-23-2007, 01:22 PM #120
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I would estimate taht 90% of the time he doesn't make that good a throw, . . .
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