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02-21-2013, 06:57 PM #37Steve Flacco, Apparently
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Re: The Story of John Harbaugh & Bryant McKinnie
Like I said, if it's so obvious that Harbs' coaching decisions are costing this team wins, then put together a presentation explaining exactly how and send it to Bisciotti.
But from where I'm sitting, we are playing the best 22 every week, and when Bryant got into shape and demonstrated that he was one of those 22, he was inserted into the line up. Do you want to keep insisting that Harbs was forced to do it? Fine, but you're ignoring the fact that Bobbie Williams is also a hard working, no quit guy who was healthy the whole playoff run. Why didn't Harbs stick Bobbie in at LG, leave Oher and Osemele alone and just role with that?
Is it because, despite your constant insistence that you as a fan on a message board know O-line play better than him, he was always willing to play his 5 best guys and Bryant was finally one of them?My motto was always to keep swinging. Whether I was in a slump or feeling badly or having trouble off the field, the only thing to do was keep swinging. -Hank Aaron
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02-21-2013, 07:28 PM #38Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: The Story of John Harbaugh & Bryant McKinnie
Don't worry, heard a rumor Ozzie was trading John for Jim H of the 9ers.LOL Lets see how that works out since some here think John is a problem with his coaching ideas. Would everyone be happy then.
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02-21-2013, 09:52 PM #39
Re: The Story of John Harbaugh & Bryant McKinnie
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02-22-2013, 08:03 AM #40
Re: The Story of John Harbaugh & Bryant McKinnie
I am not sure anybody can say for sure that McKinnie would have been as effective over 20 games that he demonstrated over the Playoffs with a contract on the line. He is a self-motivator when he feels like it, and not when the team needs him.
I will give Tony credibility for his sources. Those who choose to see Harbaugh as incompetent or McKinnie as JO can have their opinion. Based on everything that has happened to date, I can see that Tony's version makes sense.Captain Offense
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02-22-2013, 11:54 AM #41Hyperbolic curmudgeometer
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Re: The Story of John Harbaugh & Bryant McKinnie
It's a nice uplifting story--two hard-headed guys, "cooler heads" prevailing," working their way to mutual understanding & appreciation & a triumphant ending to the season.
It might even be mostly true. I've seen similar things happen. (Hell, I've been part of some.)
Right now all that can be said with fairly high confidence that it's the story the Ravens want you to hear.
And that's not a knock on anyone involved (McKinnie, Harbaugh, the Ravens, the sources, or Tony)--it's just a realistic conclusion based on how media-savvy organizations (like the Ravens) play the publicity game in this day & age.
Maybe we'll hear something closer to the full story when someone writes his memoirs years from now, when no one would be risking anything--& no one will care much. Right now it's in the interest of everyone involved to put the best possible face on what transpired.
Myself, I am going to reserve judgement until McKinnie & the Ravens part company. I'll take whatever he has to say then with a large grain of salt--but I won't dismiss it out of hand either. Disgruntled former employees aren't above taking gratuitous shots at the old workplace; OTOH, they are also free to speak without risking retaliation--especially if their new job is the last one they'll get in the field before retiring.
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Re: The Story of John Harbaugh & Bryant McKinnie
Oher has been at least the second best LT on the team each of his seasons here, and I don't have a problem thinking a fat, out-of-shape McKinnie wasn't as good an option at LT than Oher.
I think the assumption that since McKinnie came in and played X well during the final five weeks of the Ravens season he would have played at that same level all year is a flawed one. Harbaugh's approach meant McKinnie earned his spot on the field. Had he just been trotted out there despite not being prepared to play, I don't think he plays at a high level or improves throughout the year.
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02-22-2013, 12:23 PM #43
Re: The Story of John Harbaugh & Bryant McKinnie
sorry, McKinnie was way out of shape and played and improved throughout the 2011 season.
I can't honestly believe that the best 5 OLinemen were playing at any point before the playoffs. Harewood, reid and Williams were all miserable. even if McKinnie was not better then Oher at the beginning of the year, Oher was better then KO, and KO was better then the revolving door at LG. The only potential wrench in this is that McKinnie was claimed to have a hip pointer for a while midseason. Even out of shape, as long as health was not in question there is absolutely no way the line was better with Reid/harewood/williams at LG then McKinnie at LT. I will never believe that.
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Re: The Story of John Harbaugh & Bryant McKinnie
If McKinnie took this long to get in shape, I highly doubt he would have played as well earlier in the season.
"Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore
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02-22-2013, 03:10 PM #45
Re: The Story of John Harbaugh & Bryant McKinnie
When listening to talk shows and callers are calling for overt drastic actions against those that 'did not perform' to the callers specifications - it is easy to see that the callers have never been a leader of men to achieve a objective. No two individuals respond to the same motivations - the true leader picks the motivational tool that the individual responds to, and the tools that the entire team respond to - Harbs, over his 5 years as HC has displayed a mastery of picking the right motivational tools to apply to each individual to coax out their best performances.
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02-22-2013, 03:26 PM #46Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: The Story of John Harbaugh & Bryant McKinnie
The spin zone that some have entered in regards to the handling of this story really boggles the mind. Yes, the McKinnie/OL/etc. situation worked out well in the end. NO, that DOES NOT mean that it was handled correctly from day one. The one is not logically connected at all to the other.
I still have yet to hear a single person, including the author of the piece, address the reality that given all the evidence we have in front of us, there is NO REASON to believe Bryant McKinnie would have played a single snap for the Baltimore Ravens this past season if not for Jah Reid's toe injury. I'm not placing a value judgment of any kind on that reality but it is a fact.
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02-22-2013, 03:40 PM #47
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02-22-2013, 03:41 PM #48Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: The Story of John Harbaugh & Bryant McKinnie
I tend to agree with this line of thinking, but the reality of the matter is that Harbaugh's decision-making process as head coach goes beyond just one position or one position grouping.
Even if we can all agree that in a vacuum the 5 best offensive linemen as a group had to include McKinnie, Harbaugh had to make a decision based not just on how to make the OL best, but how to coach his team overall the best. There are off-the-field factors to consider as well regarding to the message you send to your team, like the need to work hard and be in shape in order to play. From Harbaugh's perspective, if he keeps cutting breaks for McKinnie that could demotivate and demoralize other guys on the team. That could create more problems in the long run.
We all have seen how Rex Ryan and other "players' coaches" around the league repeatedly made excuses for and cut breaks for "talented" malcontents only to create fractures in the locker room that spilled over onto the field. Harbaugh had to avoid that, and keep in mind he also had a locker room that was already deeply fractured this year, if you believe the reports about the uproar over the "padded practice" (which was reported to have been about Cam Cameron more than anything else, even if Harbaugh claimed otherwise.)
I'm not defending Harbaugh's decision and I think the OP's approach that "well it all worked out in the end so it must have been a good decision" is incorrect. I also agree that the best group of 5 OL all year long included McKinnie and that group was not put together on the field. But I don't think that decision was made out of some personal vendetta or whatever, there was thought behind it, even if it was wrongheaded.
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