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06-16-2014, 08:51 PM #73
Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?
And by the way, you gave two reasons why two different states may have a legal right secede. You mentioned nothing about Texas. Your attempts to move the debate goalposts are obvious.
The 10th amendment, while almost universally ignored by those who don't give a shit about the Bill of Rights, makes it clear that rights NOT SPECIFICALLY GIVEN TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT are reserved to the states or people. Secession is not mentioned and therefore is a states' right.
Second, two states qualified their ratification that they had the right to secede, which was not allowed unless it was in agreement with the Constitution as it was written per the rules of ratification.
These are facts, not internet rumor or innuendo. Texas has the right to secede, as does every other state.
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06-16-2014, 08:53 PM #74
Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?
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06-16-2014, 09:17 PM #75Legendary RSR Poster
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Is another US Civil War Possible?
You clearly didn't read the supporting links in the opinion piece nor the full Time article. And you've completely ignored the Supreme Court case that backs it all up.
No state has a legal right to secession. You can draw the inference from the 10th Amendment all you'd like but it's simply not true.
You offer up opinion and woefully inaccurate legal interpretations of the 10th Amendment, I'll keep offering up proper legal interpretations backed by Supreme Court precedent and people who know the law better than either of us. I guess "one nation, indivisible" was just a throw away line, huh?
But why listen to me? Maybe Justice Scalia will provide you some much needed legal knowledge on the issue:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012...ing-the-union/
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06-16-2014, 09:23 PM #76Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?
The Constitution is also silent on crossing state lines to diddle a 6 year old boy, beating up a federal officer, having sex with a goat on federal land etc.
Go ahead and get caught doing those things and see how far the 10th Amendment argument gets you.
Sorry, edited wrong post, my edit removed.Last edited by Greg; 06-16-2014 at 09:36 PM.
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06-16-2014, 09:33 PM #77
Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?
The Constitution is also silent on crossing state lines to diddle a 6 year old boy, beating up a federal officer, having sex with a goat on federal land etc.
By the way, none of this address the NY and VA ratification process.
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06-16-2014, 09:40 PM #78
Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?
I disagree with Scalia. There is nothing that prevents it and two states ratified it with the proviso, which means AS ORIGINALLY UNDERSTOOD AND RATIFIED secession was allowed. Frankly, as it was originally understood and ratified beats any interpretation now, as this was what they believed they were agreeing to, which is what is important.
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06-16-2014, 11:24 PM #79
Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?
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Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?
By today's standards he probably was a racist but not by 1850 standards. Again, you keep taking things out of context as HR keeps saying. You can't compare the times. It's like comparing Unitas to Montana - two great QBs of two different eras.
I recognized them above and said he sent former slaves to Africa where they wanted to go. Actually, England did the same thing after buying land and sending their former slaves there but I also said he wasn't nearly as bad as Lee's and Booth's who actually owned slaves and caused a lot of human suffering. The average age for slaves in the south was something like 30, I think, w/o looking it up.
As I keep saying, most of the country felt that way before the Civil War but Lincoln changed and gave them the right to vote when he didn't have to. That's what got him killed in the end. Only he could have pushed thru the 13th amendment.
You did say Lincoln was different during his presidency than before so that's a small concession I'll accept from you.
I also said above he was no where near the racist that you painted him out to be at the top of this discussion.Last edited by AirFlacco; 06-17-2014 at 08:48 AM.
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06-17-2014, 08:54 AM #81Legendary RSR Poster
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06-17-2014, 08:17 PM #82
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Well then, why take issue when the other parts are rendered null and void? Who gives a crap about the first or second, the tenth is toilet paper so why not use the other parts as well?
The War Between the States should not have happened, the south had the right to secede,
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Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?
Even General Sherman said the South had the right to secede. He just doubted the wisdom of it given the numbers and resources of the Union. It was a lost cause.
He was the same guy who said just kill the rest of the indians and be done with them.
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06-17-2014, 10:16 PM #84Legendary RSR Poster
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