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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh



    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    but everything is Cam's fault, just read all of the threads on the board. That makes it Cams' fault that they won the game in Pitt
    It was Tomlin's fault for keeping a hurt Leftwich in that we lost.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    It is a great blog post by Tony. It really hits the nail on the head about how our offensive "issues" are too complicated for simple "it is is X's fault" statements. This becomes apparent in all the heated threads about Cameron and Flacco and who is hurting whom more; threads that for the most part leave Harbaugh out of it.

    But Tony's blog correctly points out that Harbaugh has to enter the equation, and in a major way. Harbaugh can rightfully be blamed/credited for our "play it safe" philosophy, or our reluctance to move away from that philosophy (at least as rapidly as we could). It is also Harbaugh that could "solve" the Cameron "problem" if he felt that it was actually a significant problem.

    While I am 100% sure Tony will get flamed for violating the "Joe is above criticism" rule around here, that part of his blog is only a partial piece of his interesting take on exactly who or what (and by how much) can be deemed responsible for our offensive mediocrity.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Quackjack View Post
    It was Tomlin's fault for keeping a hurt Leftwich in that we lost.
    maybe Tomlins fault for not having cajones to go for it on 4th and 2 in the red zone when they had been running it down the field. I was so relieved he took the field goal




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    Quote Originally Posted by footballfan View Post

    Your point is slightly flawed wicked. When needing a TD to win the game with under 2 minutes you have no choice but to trust.
    Exactly. And the fact we succeed in such circumstances more than one would guess having watched all the minutes played while we don't "need" to score, makes one wonder if we should be "trying a little harder" to score from the opening whistle versus, say, trying to complete the game without committing a turnover.




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    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    I disagree with the article. I don't care if Dickson was standing alone in the endzone, you take the sack and eat the clock up. If the throw was off, or more likely, Dickson drops the ball, the Steelers than have nearly two minutes to try and get a score. They should have just run the damn ball here.
    Then why even line up in shotgun and drop back if there is no situation where you would throw it? Joe could have fumbled or gotten hurt. If you are effectively forbidden to throw it then call a run play or take a knee.

    I would have run it for the very reason Tony mentions. Telling a guy like Flacco "only throw it if you are going to get the first down," effectively puts the entire responsibilty and risk on his shoulders. For Flacco (and a lot of other people/QBs) that directive is, in fact, the same as saying never throw it and eat the sack. Eating the ball when a guy is wide open is the "safe" thing to do.
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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens27Girl View Post
    So last year's AFCCG was Harbaugh/Cameron/Flacco's fault? We HAD that game, Joe threw a damn good pass to Evans. If he holds onto it, we would have been playing the Giants. So how do you figure we will never win a SB with them? It was in our GRASP last year! I loathe Cam Cameron but even he isn't to blame 100% of the time...just 99%
    It shouldn't have been that close. Conservative first quarter play calling was awful...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Petard View Post
    T-82--
    Not trying to defend Cameron here, but I had a flashback as I read your comment, "Playing scared does not bring championships". I think a case could be made that the Ravens did something along that line with Dilfer at QB a dozen years ago, and a Super Bowl was won. Obviously the Defense that season was an anomaly, and special teams didn't seem to miss abeat, so I "pre-agree" that it's not a simple situation to explain, but OTOH, one could say that the Ravens 2000-2001 offense played "scared", AND won a championship.
    Completely agree. And this could be why we are still trying to replicate that magical year.

    It seemed Billick did that to a fault, almost as if he thought that an improvement on our offense would decrease our chances of winning a SB because it would make us look less like the team that won it. Especially when you consider the way the Grbac attempted-upgrade was jinxed by injury and/or karma and failed. From that point on it was almost as if we preferred to game-manage our way along trying to get Dilferesque performances from Boller, et al.

    I think, in general, the "play it safe" thing is an NFL tradition, and it shows up with all sorts of strategic decisions from going for it on 4th down to playing prevent defense, etc. The better-coached teams are quicker to abandon the "old" ways of doing things when they are proven to inferior or obsolete. Such is the case with passing offenses or offenses in general. Limiting interceptions is important, but gone are the days when a no-interception-but-limited-production type of passing game can win almost every game.




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    The ROAD WOES is way exaggerated. They are 3-2 and should be 4-1 if not for A BOGUS PI call On Jocoby Jones. Old saying is play .500 on the road and clean up at home. If they beat SD on Sunday they go 4-2 with 2 game remaining @WASH and @Cincy. They do seem to play more conservative on the road, not to turn it over IMO. This might be due to basically 2 rookies on the oline. They seem to try NOT to lose on the road more than at home. If it was for a horrible officials call @philly this thread wouldnt exist.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    The ROAD WOES is way exaggerated. They are 3-2 and should be 4-1 if not for A BOGUS PI call On Jocoby Jones. Old saying is play .500 on the road and clean up at home. If they beat SD on Sunday they go 4-2 with 2 game remaining @WASH and @Cincy. They do seem to play more conservative on the road, not to turn it over IMO. This might be due to basically 2 rookies on the oline. They seem to try NOT to lose on the road more than at home. If it was for a horrible officials call @philly this thread wouldnt exist.
    Valid point indeed.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    The ROAD WOES is way exaggerated. They are 3-2 and should be 4-1 if not for A BOGUS PI call On Jocoby Jones. Old saying is play .500 on the road and clean up at home. If they beat SD on Sunday they go 4-2 with 2 game remaining @WASH and @Cincy. They do seem to play more conservative on the road, not to turn it over IMO. This might be due to basically 2 rookies on the oline. They seem to try NOT to lose on the road more than at home. If it was for a horrible officials call @philly this thread wouldnt exist.
    I think the thread says "road woes on offense"... Just sayin'
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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    The ROAD WOES is way exaggerated. They are 3-2 and should be 4-1 if not for A BOGUS PI call On Jocoby Jones. Old saying is play .500 on the road and clean up at home. If they beat SD on Sunday they go 4-2 with 2 game remaining @WASH and @Cincy. They do seem to play more conservative on the road, not to turn it over IMO. This might be due to basically 2 rookies on the oline. They seem to try NOT to lose on the road more than at home. If it was for a horrible officials call @philly this thread wouldnt exist.
    Man I agree with this 1000%.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    I think the thread says "road woes on offense"... Just sayin'
    2 Rooks on the O-line is the gist of his point. We are hugely limited because of their inexperience.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by CRZA938 View Post
    It shouldn't have been that close. Conservative first quarter play calling was awful...
    If by "conservative play calling" you mean Harbs called for Birk to get steamrolled by Wilfork the entire quarter, then yeah.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    "Joke claim?" No, just an opinion. I thought that's what forums are for...exchanging them.

    We'll see how far playing not to lose takes the Ravens.
    my post was directly to the part of blaming flacco for not throwing the ball in that situation. When coaches say unless its 100 percent completion don't risl it, then you do risk it and its incomplete. That's going to be on Joe. Imagine then pitts go up and score. Joe would be run out of town especially when it came out he was told not to take a risk, then threw to dickson of all people..

    Your "joke claim" was trying to lay not passing on flacco when it was a direct order from above not to throw a risky pass. Any pass to dickson is risky, period. So he chose not too. How's that his fault? Please enlighten me?

    That was a bad game for Joe overall. but taking a sack there was probably the best decision he made all game.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    my post was directly to the part of blaming flacco for not throwing the ball in that situation. When coaches say unless its 100 percent completion don't risl it, then you do risk it and its incomplete. That's going to be on Joe. Imagine then pitts go up and score. Joe would be run out of town especially when it came out he was told not to take a risk, then threw to dickson of all people..

    Your "joke claim" was trying to lay not passing on flacco when it was a direct order from above not to throw a risky pass. Any pass to dickson is risky, period. So he chose not too. How's that his fault? Please enlighten me?

    That was a bad game for Joe overall. but taking a sack there was probably the best decision he made all game.
    Thats the point. You don't give franchise quarterbacks that kind of directive with the game hanging in the balance. He should already know what to do. Having to be reminded not to screw things up is something I would bristle at, especially in my fifth year in the same offense, not to mention that it was the quarterback's play in the waning seconds that won games the prior two trips to Heinz Field.




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