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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh



    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    I'll be holding you to that...

    Seriously, Tony, everyone's page views--even the best Crow forum in existence--go down between the Great American Pig-Out & Jesus' Birthday (Observed). It's a function of too frakkin' much to do & it affects every entertainment venue that ain't dressed in a Sanity Clause suit & shaking jangle bells. Stay classy, suck it up for the duration & eschew clickwhoring, why doncha? Yule be better off in the long run...
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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    That's the way it appears and you have to wonder why.

    My point in the column is along these lines...

    Let's say you own a store and you are aware that the manager you've hired doesn't exactly share the same customer focus that helped build your store.

    Yet he keeps on doing it and you do nothing about it.

    The lack of action on your part suggests that you endorse the behavior of your manager.

    The same in my opinion, check that, my "joke claim" is true of Harbaugh and the Ravens offense on the road.
    I've been saying this for 2 years. Harbaugh is really risking his credibilty. Either trust Joe or get somebody that you do.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Posted this on another thread--seems appropriate here as well. Flacco's career passer rating at home and on road:

    2008 rating at home: 66.8 2008 rating on road: 91.7 Overall rating for year: 80.0.
    2009 rating at home: 101.5 2009 rating on road: 75.8 Overall rating for year: 88.9
    2010 rating at home: 104.2 2010 rating on road: 84.7 Overall rating for year: 93.5.
    2011 rating at home: 84.2 2011 rating on road: 78.2 Overall rating for year: 81.0.
    2012 rating at home: 108.2 2012 rating on road: 65.2 Overall rating for year: 87.2.
    Career at home: 93.0 Career on road: 79.9 Career overall: 86.1

    I don't know why the above numbers are the way they are, but it's inarguable that the passing offense for four years running has been extremely inconsistent on the road. More to the point, it isn't getting better.

    So, I can see using the above as a pretty good excuse for playing not to lose on the road. The Steelers game is a good example, and the last playoff game the Ravens lost at Heinz field can be taken as example of why you should occasionally play to not lose.

    The fact that the road passing offense isn't getting better is extremely concerning going forward, though. It indicates (to me, at least) that there's a systemic problem somewhere. While I'm not as quick to blame Cameron as many here are, I wish the Ravens had made a change last year just to see how Flacco did with a different coordinator, so that we could prove or eliminate the OC as the problem.

    Bottom line is, there isn't another passing offense in the league with such an enormous disparity in home vs road performance. I don't know what the problem is, but I doubt it's a one-step fix.




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    Quote Originally Posted by phacts View Post
    Ravens fans love Flacco, unless they are trying to drum up hits to their website.

    Dickson can never be counted on as a "100%" completion. He's the least reliable receiver on this team.
    Thanks for posting this.

    Dickson is not a 100% guarantee.

    Tony - if it were Pitta or Boldin, he may have thrown it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post

    That's the way it appears and you have to wonder why.

    My point in the column is along these lines...

    Let's say you own a store and you are aware that the manager you've hired doesn't exactly share the same customer focus that helped build your store.

    Yet he keeps on doing it and you do nothing about it.

    The lack of action on your part suggests that you endorse the behavior of your manager.

    The same in my opinion, check that, my "joke claim" is true of Harbaugh and the Ravens offense on the road.
    They sure seemed to trust him last year in the road...in Pittaburgh...on a last minute drive ...

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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by redmike34 View Post
    Posted this on another thread--seems appropriate here as well. Flacco's career passer rating at home and on road:

    2008 rating at home: 66.8 2008 rating on road: 91.7 Overall rating for year: 80.0.
    2009 rating at home: 101.5 2009 rating on road: 75.8 Overall rating for year: 88.9
    2010 rating at home: 104.2 2010 rating on road: 84.7 Overall rating for year: 93.5.
    2011 rating at home: 84.2 2011 rating on road: 78.2 Overall rating for year: 81.0.
    2012 rating at home: 108.2 2012 rating on road: 65.2 Overall rating for year: 87.2.
    Career at home: 93.0 Career on road: 79.9 Career overall: 86.1

    I don't know why the above numbers are the way they are, but it's inarguable that the passing offense for four years running has been extremely inconsistent on the road. More to the point, it isn't getting better.

    So, I can see using the above as a pretty good excuse for playing not to lose on the road. The Steelers game is a good example, and the last playoff game the Ravens lost at Heinz field can be taken as example of why you should occasionally play to not lose.

    The fact that the road passing offense isn't getting better is extremely concerning going forward, though. It indicates (to me, at least) that there's a systemic problem somewhere. While I'm not as quick to blame Cameron as many here are, I wish the Ravens had made a change last year just to see how Flacco did with a different coordinator, so that we could prove or eliminate the OC as the problem.

    Bottom line is, there isn't another passing offense in the league with such an enormous disparity in home vs road performance. I don't know what the problem is, but I doubt it's a one-step fix.
    No its not a one step fix...but the first step is a new OC.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Quackjack View Post
    Oh my ****ing god, even Ravens fans don't like Flacco. For gods sake he's been to the playoffs every year!
    Not all fans feel that way Quack...some soon forget what our team was like under Boller. Unfortunately, Flacco haters won't shut their pieholes until we win a SB. Until then, we have to put up with their unfounded rantings. Flacco is no Big Ben but he's been good enough to get to the playoffs each year. AND we were one Lee Evans dropped pass away from the SB last year...Joe got us there, Lee Evans took it away.




  8. Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Thanks for posting this.

    Dickson is not a 100% guarantee.

    Tony - if it were Pitta or Boldin, he may have thrown it.

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    I tend to agree although we'll never know for sure.

    I thought the call to pass the ball at all was stupid, but I guess they thought the Steelers were selling out for the run and wouldn't be able to get the first down as success with the run the whole night was very limited at best. More like pathetic.

    Whole point being was the most important thing to do there was run off clock and not surrender field position or God forbid the ball.

    Freak stuff seems to happen with us against the Steelers at the worst times... I.E.- The Rice fumble, the Palomano sack, etc.

    I don't think Flacco trusts Dickson the way he does Pitta.

    Any kind of deflection for an Int. would have been possibly devestating.
    An incomplete pass stops the clock giving them more time on offense.

    Taking the sack was essentially the same thing as running the ball and not getting the 1st down.

    I think if the Steelers would have had timeouts the situation would have been different making getting the 1st down much more essential possibly changing the way the play was approached and forcing us to play to win rather then not to lose.
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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    You know, generally, thoughout the history of the NFL, teams and QB's don't play as well on the road as they do at home. That's why they call it home field advantage

    I disagree with the article. I don't care if Dickson was standing alone in the endzone, you take the sack and eat the clock up. If the throw was off, or more likely, Dickson drops the ball, the Steelers than have nearly two minutes to try and get a score. They should have just run the damn ball here.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    "Joke claim?" No, just an opinion. I thought that's what forums are for...exchanging them.

    We'll see how far playing not to lose takes the Ravens.
    This is why I said the Harbaugh/Cameron/Flacco triumvirate will never win a SB. Playing scared does not bring championships. Never.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    This is why I said the Harbaugh/Cameron/Flacco triumvirate will never win a SB. Playing scared does not bring championships. Never.
    So last year's AFCCG was Harbaugh/Cameron/Flacco's fault? We HAD that game, Joe threw a damn good pass to Evans. If he holds onto it, we would have been playing the Giants. So how do you figure we will never win a SB with them? It was in our GRASP last year! I loathe Cam Cameron but even he isn't to blame 100% of the time...just 99%




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    T-82--
    Not trying to defend Cameron here, but I had a flashback as I read your comment, "Playing scared does not bring championships". I think a case could be made that the Ravens did something along that line with Dilfer at QB a dozen years ago, and a Super Bowl was won. Obviously the Defense that season was an anomaly, and special teams didn't seem to miss abeat, so I "pre-agree" that it's not a simple situation to explain, but OTOH, one could say that the Ravens 2000-2001 offense played "scared", AND won a championship.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    [QUOTE=wickedsolo;521279]They sure seemed to trust him last year in the road...in Pittaburgh...on a last minute drive ...


    Your point is slightly flawed wicked. When needing a TD to win the game with under 2 minutes you have no choice but to trust.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    They sure seemed to trust him last year in the road...in Pittaburgh...on a last minute drive ...


    Your point is slightly flawed wicked. When needing a TD to win the game with under 2 minutes you have no choice but to trust.
    Flacco threw the ball 47 times that game. And we were leading for most of it.
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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    but everything is Cam's fault, just read all of the threads on the board. That makes it Cams' fault that they won the game in Pitt




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