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  1. #76

    Re: Ed Reed suspended 1 game



    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I don't think the league recognized Clark's hit on Cruz this year as a violation, despite it being called a penalty on the field. He was not fined for it, and I think the league's stance is effectively that it should not have been called (and therefore shouldn't count towards the 3 in 3 years).

    That said, my impression is that Clark has had like 5-6 of these kinds of hits over the last 3 years, but maybe I am wrong about that.
    Please don't try to theorize or create a formula for why Ed Reed is being suspended and Ryan Clark hasn't been. It's not possible b/c the NFL is essentially making **** up.

    The issue here is not a safety issue. Clearly the NFL is justified in Suspending players who have repeatedly hit other players helmet to helmet.

    The issue is that there is no transparency, clarity, or objective measurements to gauge the suspension process. The NBA has it...10 Technicals or whatever is and you are suspended. Soccer has it...Get a Red Card or So many Yellow Cards and you get suspended.

    But in the NFL, Roger Goddell, Ray Anderson, or whoever you want to personify the NFL as, gets to make it up as they go. It destroys the credibility of the disciplinary process, and even the integrity of the game during a playoff stretch, when it seems like the decision-makers just make things up and allow fans to make conspiracy theories.

    I understand suspending guys for this type of thing, but create a framework first and let players actually know about it first.




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    Re: Ed Reed suspended 1 game

    Who is going to start for him? Isn't C. Thompson on IR?




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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    well I'm assuming it has to come from ed, rather than he ravens. Ie he gets paid it then hands it over
    I imagine that the league just garnishes it, but yeah, it's Ed's fine.




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    Re: Ed Reed suspended 1 game

    Quote Originally Posted by LC_Ravens_87 View Post
    Please don't try to theorize or create a formula for why Ed Reed is being suspended and Ryan Clark hasn't been. It's not possible b/c the NFL is essentially making **** up.

    The issue here is not a safety issue. Clearly the NFL is justified in Suspending players who have repeatedly hit other players helmet to helmet.

    The issue is that there is no transparency, clarity, or objective measurements to gauge the suspension process. The NBA has it...10 Technicals or whatever is and you are suspended. Soccer has it...Get a Red Card or So many Yellow Cards and you get suspended.

    But in the NFL, Roger Goddell, Ray Anderson, or whoever you want to personify the NFL as, gets to make it up as they go. It destroys the credibility of the disciplinary process, and even the integrity of the game during a playoff stretch, when it seems like the decision-makers just make things up and allow fans to make conspiracy theories.

    I understand suspending guys for this type of thing, but create a framework first and let players actually know about it first.
    this. There needs to be a formula, a clear cut law laid out. You can't pick and choose.




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    Re: Ed Reed suspended 1 game

    This sucks...but trying to look at it optimistically, let's say Ihedigbo holds it down and we get a W on the west coast. Ed could possibly stay home and rest that old body of his and get it ready for Ravens vs. Steelers II: Picks a' Plenty starring Charlie Batch.




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    Re: Ed Reed suspended 1 game

    Quote Originally Posted by rharris1986 View Post
    Basically just Ed Reed being a thug. He either can't or won't tackle anymore and is more of a liability out there than an asset. This is actually doing the Ravens a favor - forcing the team to put a better athelete on the field for the Chargers game at least.
    I'm no big fan of Reed's dwindling skillset, but calling him a "thug" is a joke. He's just scared of injuring himself, so he doesn't ever go low where he can get banged in the head/shoulder area buy a runner's legs (unless he dives even lower, and blindly throws his back at their feet)- but he just flat out doesn't want to tackle, not due to any sort of thug-ness like Harrison.

    BTW- I think we need Reed more against San Diego rather than Charlie Batch- so if I were the Ravens, i would appeal the suspension this week, and then just accept it next week when it's Steeler week at home. We need him more against Rivers on the road.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37 View Post
    Who is going to start for him? Isn't C. Thompson on IR?
    Considine and some guy named Anthony Levine are the other safeties on the roster besides Ihedigbo and Pollard. Imagine it will be Considine considering Levine's probably been in Baltimore 5 minutes...




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    Re: Ed Reed suspended 1 game

    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37 View Post
    Who is going to start for him? Isn't C. Thompson on IR?
    damn good question. Ihedigbo or Considine? yikes




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    Re: Ed Reed suspended 1 game

    I have no problem with the NFL suspending players for repeated illegal hits but there needs to be a defined process for it. If they want to make it so if you accumulate three helmet to helmet hits over a three year period, you get suspended, that's fine. That's a defined process that leaves nothing to interpretation.

    You can't say each is a case by case basis. What are you factoring in, then? Are you taking into account that the hit might not have been illegal had the receiver not ducked or gone a certain way? Are you taking into account malicious intent? Past history? It becomes a joke at that point because they can basically pick and choose who they want to suspend or let off the hook.

    I'm not going to say there is bias against the Ravens here, I just don't see how they can suspend Reed. I don't know what facts and circumstances they are looking at that leads them to do this and would like to know...will never happen, of course.




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    Re: Ed Reed suspended 1 game

    I'm in shock. This is absolutely absurd. We are being punished for beating the nfl's golden team




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    Re: Ed Reed suspended 1 game

    agreed with bch, there needs to be a clear understanding of when suspension will be levied, not this:

    NFL spokesman Greg Aiello says that the suspension does not indicate the presence of a formula, and that every case will be handled based on its own facts and circumstances.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LC_Ravens_87 View Post
    Please don't try to theorize or create a formula for why Ed Reed is being suspended and Ryan Clark hasn't been. It's not possible b/c the NFL is essentially making **** up.
    I am not "theorizing or creating" a formula. I am looking at the league's (apparent) explanation of why Ed was fined and checking it against reality.

    Feel free to list the dates of Clark's "defenseless" player hits so I can reach a conclusion about how egregiously the NFL is "making *** up." Don't get me wrong, I am not disputing that the league is or could be making **** up, that would be par for its course. But I would like actual confirmation in terms of the Clark comparison instead of the nebulous "I am sure Clark has 3 such hits over 3 years." Or confirmation that any player has accumulated 3 such hits.

    EDIT: It looks like 3 in 3 was "made up" by the media in describing Ed's situation. It would still be helpful in terms of judging the league's nonsense to see how many if any players have a similar "record" as Ed. Does Clark in fact have that many such hits? Anyone?
    Last edited by Haloti92; 11-19-2012 at 06:35 PM.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    agreed with bch, there needs to be a clear understanding of when suspension will be levied, not this:
    Well, I haven't seen the actual text of the league's announcement, but if it said 3 in 3, that appears to be some kind of "formula," even if they randomly use discretion as what counts as part of the 3. In short, why have I heard about 3 in 3 at all? Purely the media's doing? I am really asking (don't know). Sounds like Aeillo is covering his tracks in case people discover other players with similar hit/penalty records.

    EDIT: Ok, it does look like 3 in 3 was just something mentioned by the media in describing Ed's "record." If that is the case, then Ed is getting screwed, imo.
    Last edited by Haloti92; 11-19-2012 at 06:34 PM.




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    Re: Ed Reed suspended 1 game

    The NFL is straight up a crooked organization. The is no other explanation for this other than the NFL trying to keep the Stealers in the race. If you can get suspended for Ed's actions you would see someone getting suspended every single week. Yet I can think of only one (i think he was on the Falcons).




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    Re: Ed Reed suspended 1 game

    Not crazy about this, but it is what it is, as Billick used to say.

    On the other hand, does this represent an opportunity for us? Not so much from the perspective of giving Ed a rest or testing out safeties for Next Man Up, but from the perspective of using the new rules as a weapon. I see two possibilities:

    1 - coach WR to lead with their heads, like last night
    2 - throw a disproportionate number of passes at players who are a head shot away from a suspension, on the theory that they'll be less aggressive (similar to driving on a basketball player in foul trouble).

    As for Ed being done, I seem to recall Tom Brady in the playoff game having the number of Baltimore safety written on his wrist band.

    Amazingly, that safety was not the one who holds the top six listings in my Google search for "Patriot Killer," and ended Brady's season one year.

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