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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???



    Ravens couldn't run to save their lives, so I have no problem with calling a pass. BUT NOT OUT THE SHOTGUN. At least line up in the I-Form or Jumbo and do a play action so the Steelers would have to think about what was going to happen. smh




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitty Hutton View Post
    Ravens couldn't run to save their lives, so I have no problem with calling a pass. BUT NOT OUT THE SHOTGUN. At least line up in the I-Form or Jumbo and do a play action so the Steelers would have to think about what was going to happen. smh
    Agreed.

    I've never understood why so many teams - and it's a lot of teams, good offensive teams included - go with empty backfield or shotgun on plays like that. At least give the appearance that you may have another option.
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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Yeah no kidding. They had a better chance at getting the first by passing the ball. If they had run it, they would have gotten the exact same result that taking the sack yielded. By passing there is the chance that you catch Pitt napping and get an easy 1st down that ices the game. I had no faith that they could have picked up those two yards on the ground unless Joe scrambled out of a pass. (Which I actually felt he had some room to do. I wish he would have tucked the ball and gave it a whirl but we won so I don't care. But if the Ravens keep going down to the wire my life expectancy will be shortened by 5 years.
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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Yeah no kidding. They had a better chance at getting the first by passing the ball. If they had run it, they would have gotten the exact same result that taking the sack yielded. By passing there is the chance that you catch Pitt napping and get an easy 1st down that ices the game. I had no faith that they could have picked up those two yards on the ground unless Joe scrambled out of a pass. (Which I actually felt he had some room to do. I wish he would have tucked the ball and gave it a whirl but we won so I don't care. But if the Ravens keep going down to the wire my life expectancy will be shortened by 5 years.
    The problem with this logic is two fold. First, last time I checked Pittsburgh has a very good defense. Catching them napping is not impossible, but improbable in that situation. They know we couldn't run the ball, and like another poster pointed out we came out in a passing formation. Second, the Steelers were not stacking the box much of the night. They were getting good pressure with only 5 pass rushers and were shutting down our run without safety help. A pass there is just too risky, and the more I think about the "100% completion or a take sack" comment the less faith I have in this coaching staff.




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Yeah no kidding. They had a better chance at getting the first by passing the ball. If they had run it, they would have gotten the exact same result that taking the sack yielded. By passing there is the chance that you catch Pitt napping and get an easy 1st down that ices the game. I had no faith that they could have picked up those two yards on the ground unless Joe scrambled out of a pass. (Which I actually felt he had some room to do. I wish he would have tucked the ball and gave it a whirl but we won so I don't care. But if the Ravens keep going down to the wire my life expectancy will be shortened by 5 years.
    They're not going to catch Pitt napping when they line up in the shotgun!!! Should have lined up in running formation even if pass or sack was the call!




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    I wanted a stretch play, Rice to the edge.

    Or:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDZu-5ia2pM



    But sure, I guess a sack will do...




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    it makes sense, an incompletion stops the clock. What baffled me is Tomlin taking that time out




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    I've been flipping through all of these threads about this play and it amazes me that some of you think that it was an OK play call. I did not take statistics, but even I know that a Pass play is way more risky than just lining up and running. The strectch run right was working a bit (even though we did not run it much for some reason, instead we continued to run into a brick wall) Go Jumbo with Leach hand the effing ball off and just maybe pick up the 1st.

    Negatives;
    Pass: INC (stops clock), INT (very bad), Strip Sack (very bad)
    Run: Come up short (Clock keeps running), Chances of Fumble are there, but not as likely with the RB knowing to protect the ball,

    So again as I did on the other thread, just some good ole basic stats
    Pass Negatives = 3
    Run Negatives = 1




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by nickh0801 View Post
    They're not going to catch Pitt napping when they line up in the shotgun!!! Should have lined up in running formation even if pass or sack was the call!
    Ding ding ding. We have the correct answer. Lining up in the shotgun there is inexcusable, because it allows the defense to play the pass. Almost any other formation forces them to commit to stop the run (meaning the linebackers have to freeze for an instant to determine if it's a run or pass), allowing us to either a) run the ball, or b) pass the ball, or c) run play action.

    Instead we lined up in shotgun, where the only threat of a run is a draw or Joe taking off. Both of which take time to develop, and allow the defense to more comfortably play the short quick pass. Strategically, the play we ran was a joke.




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    He for sure was only looking for a wide open WR, if none take the sack. But, on 3rd and 2, I would have designed a run play, better odds less risk.




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Also agree- the formation was plain DUMB- at least make them think that you *might* run. I also agree, that *if* we are going to throw, the rollout is the best option to either: A) Eat it and save the clock B) run it for a 1st down C) throw to a wide open receiver.

    That being said- the one play that I've NEVER seen stopped on short yardage is the play where you fake a dive to the right (the running back takes one false step that direction which sucks down the DE), and then do the pitch in the complete opposite direction around the left end. We've run that play at least 4 times in must-have yardage situations, and I've NEVER seen it stopped, and that would have been the perfect play call there.




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    Quote Originally Posted by cbaywolf View Post

    That being said- the one play that I've NEVER seen stopped on short yardage is the play where you fake a dive to the right (the running back takes one false step that direction which sucks down the DE), and then do the pitch in the complete opposite direction. We've run that play at least 4 times in must have yardage situations, and I've NEVER seen it stopped, and that would have been the perfect play call there.

    Yes. Exactly what I said. The counter-toss. We broke it out at home this year once on a short yardage play and got it easily (can't remember if it was vs Cincy or Cleveland). We used to break it out occasionally with Jamal way back when as well.

    It is the perfect call for aggressive run defenses. And we run it about once a season instead of once per game. Even if the DE/OLB doesn't quite fully bite, you still have your RB out in space running laterally vs. one defender. And if your RB is quick, he can just choose when to turn it up and be virtually assured of getting two yards. Even if tackled, the tackle is unlikely to be one that stops the RB from spinning/falling forward.




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    This relates to my problem with our coach. Play not to lose as we have in the past. Get a 1st down the game is over. Put in a jumbo package, Leach and Pierce and pound to the right. No, we get cute and lazy.
    We haven't had great success with our jumbo package this year.




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by RedSkins Fury View Post
    I heard on local Radio this morning that that was a comment Harbaugh made after the game regarding the 3rd and 2 with 2 minutes left. He said the call was a pass and if Joe couldn't make a sure completion, he was to take a sack. I agree with the concept of no matter what, "Do Not Stop the Clock!"... But what the hell? Why do you a call a play that only has a 50% chance of success. If you need to gain 2 yards and need to keep the clock moving, just run the freaking ball.... If you have to call a pass play.. call a bootleg or something that at least puts the QB in position to try and run for a first down.

    That is just a BS Stupid Shit call.
    The problem is you should never have done out of the shotgun formation. If you are going to throw in that situation you have to do it from the I formation and a fake handoff. That might actually have worked. Using the shotgun simply makes no sense.




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    I thought it was a horrible call. Whats funny is everyone saw it coming. Just read the game thread. Cam is so dead set against doing something conventional that you know what he is going to do before he does it. 3 and 14? Screen pass! 3 and 2 when you need to run out the clock? Shotgun!

    Handing the ball back to the opposing team without even trying? Come on, I know it was Leftwich and he is totally incompetent, but you are nursing a 3 point lead. A lead which was garnered off a miracle punt return. Certainly nothing the offense did last night was deserving of a W.

    It won't be pretty when the Ravens go back to Houston in the playoffs. Hopefully they can eek out enough of these no scoring no trying wins to get a bye so they don't get bounced on wild card weekend.




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