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    Quote Originally Posted by nickh0801 View Post
    They're not going to catch Pitt napping when they line up in the shotgun!!! Should have lined up in running formation even if pass or sack was the call!
    Draw play?

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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    it makes sense, an incompletion stops the clock. What baffled me is Tomlin taking that time out
    Wouldn't a running play have the same effect?




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    We haven't had great success with our jumbo package this year.
    Please remind me when we have used the unbalanced line or stuck in an extra lineman or even Ngata this year, because I sure as hell don't remember seeing it since McGahee and Le'ron McClain were here.




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    Please remind me when we have used the unbalanced line or stuck in an extra lineman or even Ngata this year, because I sure as hell don't remember seeing it since McGahee and Le'ron McClain were here.
    Here's one example...
    http://russellstreetreport.com/heres...and-1-attempt/

    According to FilmStudy, Jah Reid came in as an extra linemen for 8 plays at Cleveland. McKinnie came in as an extra linemen for four plays against Dallas, 2 plays in the home game against Cleveland, 1 play (above) against NE, 2 plays against Philly, and once against Cincy.

    I'm all for bringing in some big bodies and letting Rice try to plow his way for a yard or two but we haven't had much success running in short yardage situations this year. I don't think we've had success throwing it either though.




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Anyone else think a screen play (from a formation other than the shotgun) could have been called and might have worked in this situation?
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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by edgecrusher View Post
    Wouldn't a running play have the same effect?
    It was after the 2 minute warning. I think the design here was that the clock had already stopped. If you call a run, the play is over quicker, maybe you are at 1:20/1:25. Whereas with the sack Flacco was able to run the clock down to 1:12 before Baltimore called the time out before the punt.

    It seemed to me, just my opinion of course, that this was all about maximum time off the clock. Yes, a run keeps the clock moving too, but gives the Steelers maybe up to 10 extra seconds on the clock.




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    It was after the 2 minute warning. I think the design here was that the clock had already stopped. If you call a run, the play is over quicker, maybe you are at 1:20/1:25. Whereas with the sack Flacco was able to run the clock down to 1:12 before Baltimore called the time out before the punt.

    It seemed to me, just my opinion of course, that this was all about maximum time off the clock. Yes, a run keeps the clock moving too, but gives the Steelers maybe up to 10 extra seconds on the clock.
    I would call that playing NOT to WIN.

    1st down the game is OVER. Not a chance of some miracle play. Or like Tebow did to them in the playoffs. This team still LACKS the KILLER instinct. You think Billacheat and Skirt Brady would have even thought of something that fing stupid?

    Hell John's Brother Jim was prolly shacking his head the same a Joe was in the huddle.

    I think the reason Joe never signed this year is because CAM is still here. Now he will have the power to say. CAM goes I will sign. CAM stays FU.




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitty Hutton View Post
    Ravens couldn't run to save their lives, so I have no problem with calling a pass. BUT NOT OUT THE SHOTGUN. At least line up in the I-Form or Jumbo and do a play action so the Steelers would have to think about what was going to happen. smh
    Agree with this completely. The way we were running I don't disagree with calling a pass play. I think if we weren't in shotgun formation, the Steelers would have gone all out to stop the expected run and play action would likely have given Joe an easy completion and game over.
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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    It was after the 2 minute warning. I think the design here was that the clock had already stopped. If you call a run, the play is over quicker, maybe you are at 1:20/1:25. Whereas with the sack Flacco was able to run the clock down to 1:12 before Baltimore called the time out before the punt.

    It seemed to me, just my opinion of course, that this was all about maximum time off the clock. Yes, a run keeps the clock moving too, but gives the Steelers maybe up to 10 extra seconds on the clock.
    This is the first semi-logical defense of that play call I've seen so far.

    Still....




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensQB View Post
    I would call that playing NOT to WIN.

    1st down the game is OVER. Not a chance of some miracle play. Or like Tebow did to them in the playoffs. This team still LACKS the KILLER instinct. You think Billacheat and Skirt Brady would have even thought of something that fing stupid?

    Hell John's Brother Jim was prolly shacking his head the same a Joe was in the huddle.

    I think the reason Joe never signed this year is because CAM is still here. Now he will have the power to say. CAM goes I will sign. CAM stays FU.
    Belichick and Brady wouldn't have thought twice about throwing it.

    And Joe lobbied for the play. He wanted a pass play and felt that Rice would be open in the flat.

    Funny thing is, had they run it and failed, many would be complaining that they hadn't been successful running all night and would say that they lacked the balls and KILLER instinct to throw it.

    Personally, I would have run it, but if Joe is ever to become elite, he got to be able to make pays in that scenario. Also, as others have said, if you are going to throw there, I would have greatly preferred play action from under center.
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    Just decided to look into our third or fourth downs with <= 2 yards to go situations, and here's what I found:

    Flacco has a 0.0 QB Rating on 12 such downs. 3 / 11 for 7 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT, 1 Sack. Only 2 first downs. That means 16.7% success rate.

    On the other hand, with run plays, we have 18 attempts for 47 yards, 3 TD, 0 Fumbles. 12 first downs. That's a 66.7% success rate.

    Remind me again why we ever pass in those situations?




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Yes. Exactly what I said. The counter-toss. We broke it out at home this year once on a short yardage play and got it easily (can't remember if it was vs Cincy or Cleveland). We used to break it out occasionally with Jamal way back when as well.

    It is the perfect call for aggressive run defenses. And we run it about once a season instead of once per game. Even if the DE/OLB doesn't quite fully bite, you still have your RB out in space running laterally vs. one defender. And if your RB is quick, he can just choose when to turn it up and be virtually assured of getting two yards. Even if tackled, the tackle is unlikely to be one that stops the RB from spinning/falling forward.
    I think we used it against the 49ers last year too.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensQB View Post

    I think the reason Joe never signed this year is because CAM is still here. Now he will have the power to say. CAM goes I will sign. CAM stays FU.

    That's similar to what I've said that a few times this year and I still believe that's a possibility. If not planned it may still be a reality...and Joe and his agent has a lot of leverage to apply here if they want to since Stevie has already crowned Joe as the franchise.
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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Yeah no kidding.. By passing there is the chance that you catch Pitt napping and get an easy 1st down that ices the game.
    Good theory, except that Flacco was in the shotgun, which I'm sure negated most of the element of surprise.




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    Re: "100% Completion or take a sack..." - ???

    The reason that Joe hasn't re-signed yet is because he thinks he's worth more than what the Ravens are offering. It's about money, it has nothing to do with Cam.

    Cam and Joe are far more on the same page now that they have taken the training wheels off and are letting Joe throw more. They've made a concerted effort to tailor the offense to Joe now. In fact, if Flacco could throw the ball every down, he'd be even more happy.

    The play in question is a perfect example of that. Joe wanted to throw, they let him.
    Last edited by B-more Ravor; 11-20-2012 at 11:31 AM. Reason: taylor-tailor
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