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  1. #16

    Re: Time for some more perspective



    We have an incredibly spoiled fan base...which overall is a good thing given that you can't be spoiled without the spoils (wins).

    But boy does it make this a hard forum to read sometime. Prior to the Browns/Cowboys game, I was doing some web surfing and came across this thread on the Cowboys board:

    http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallas...s.php?t=244772

    I found some of the comments from the old-time Cowboys fans very interesting and they gave me a great perspective with regards to the Ravens. Read it yourself, but here were some of my favorites:

    Having (figuratively) died after the first championship loss to the Packers, died the again next year after the Ice Bowl, and exasperated after the Browns killed us two years in a row, only to reach the edge of greatness in SB V (JBK comment: Sound familiar to anyone?), winning SB VI gave me a sense of relief more than anything else....
    ....we were the team everyone FEARED....think Baltimore Ravens or Green Bay Packers now. We were like a combination of that.
    Seeing the Cowboys win their first SB in 1971 was the ultimate for me! After years of losing then more years of coming so close (JBK: Sounds familiar, too, doesn't it?) it was incredibly sweet for us to FINALLY win it all!...For 20 consecutive seasons, from 1966-1985, we were ALWAYS contenders (JBK: Hmmm, what team is like that today?), we always had a good chance of winning it all. 18 of those 20 years we made the playoffs, 12 times we were in the NFL/NFC Championship game, 5 times we went to the SB and won it twice. Even when we lost we were close to winning it all.
    There is a feeling I have experienced after each Super Bowl that is always surprising...It is a hollow feeling that the journey has ended and that's all there is. I am satisfied with the results, but the tension and anxiety is suddenly over. And while they have won the ultimate prize, and accomplished everything I hoped they would, it has ended and there is no more...It's a similar feeling to the one when you are bounced from the play-offs knowing it's seven months before football starts again....To be sure the glow of winning carries on for a week or so, but then its all over....Someone said the journey is the best part of it, and that is right.




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    Re: Time for some more perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    Yes, I'm sure you believe you've cornered the market on objectivity and inarguable positions. Zealots usually do.

    How about you let people discuss their favorite sports team, the good and the bad, from THEIR perspectives? That's what these forums are for. If not, I'm sure the Bieber forums are vigorously policed, and may be more to your liking.

    BTW, you're the one toting the pailful of "impotent anger". No one else has started a thread complaining about people who disagree with them.
    Ding ding ding ding. You can now shut this puppy down.




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    Re: Time for some more perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    Right, you're not angry.
    Funny how ActualSpamBot laid out a bunch of stats to back up his argument, and you come in with a couple personal attacks. Hmmm




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    Re: Time for some more perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    Ding ding ding ding. You can now shut this puppy down.
    So just so I'm clear here you believe fans should be able to "discuss their favorite sports team, the good and the bad, from THEIR perspectives" AND you also believe that this thread should be shut down? Again... It's called cognitive dissonance and you folks need to look it up.
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    Re: Time for some more perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Ironically I think our MASSIVE home field advantage is giving people an inflated sense of this team. We are NOT as good at home as we would be on a neutral field. I don't know why we're so dependent on the home crowd, but it's inescapably part of our identity now and people simply need to understand that. Instead of looking at the home performance as the norm and the road games as a failure, I view the home games as a moderate abberations above our typical ability, and the road games as moderate deviations below it.

    To put it more simply, we're a B+ team. At home we're an A+ team and on the road we're a C team. People look at the A+ team and wonder where that C team is coming from instead of where that A+ team is coming from at home.
    Well this is a good debate topic. I obviously agree with the premise that our performances (like most/all teams) would be ranked from best to worst as at home, at neutral field, away. That seems like common sense. But I think the distance between our neutral and away perfomances is currently greater than the distance between our home and neutral. Not only that, I think the distance between our neutral and away is greater than it was a few years ago.

    To me, I think our offense has evolved into a more risk-taking, more reward-gaining offense, i.e. more high powered. This leads to better results when things go well. Things go well more often at home. Hence, our homefield advantage hasn't increased (to explain the 31-55 point outbursts), but rather our offense's upside has increased. This shows up with our league-leading number of plays of 20+ yards.

    The problem is, this same more-risk, more-reward, less-safe offense can lead to worse results (lower downside) than a milquetoast, safe, rely-on-the-defense offense if things go poorly (more 3-and-outs, less points). On the road, I think this is the case. Whether it is the snap-count disadvantage due to crowd noise affecting our O-line's blocking, or whether it is the unfamiliar turf, or whether it is the hassle of travel, or whether Cameron calls different plays, etc, something significantly throws a monkey wrench in our newer/better high-powered offense. And it does so to the extent that our results are worse than what they have been when we used to play it "safe."

    It would be nice to play a couple neutral field games to test the results. I think non-deafening crowd noise but on a non-M&T field would be a good control. And I think we would do pretty well offensively; I personally think the crowd noise hurts us more than most other teams.




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    Re: Time for some more perspective

    Well our game in Washington has a real good chance of being as close to neutral field as you can get outside of London. And the Skins have a talented, if underachieving, defense. Could be a good control for this theory.
    My motto was always to keep swinging. Whether I was in a slump or feeling badly or having trouble off the field, the only thing to do was keep swinging. -Hank Aaron




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    Re: Time for some more perspective

    I'm happy they won. But it's also about what could and SHOULD be. The frustration is also built upon 10 waisted years... and still seeing an OC trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.




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    Re: Time for some more perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Funny how ActualSpamBot laid out a bunch of stats to back up his argument, and you come in with a couple personal attacks. Hmmm
    The disagreement is about the tone of the board today, not statistics. There's praise; there's criticism. I think most people recognize that this was a good game between two banged-up teams, and the Ravens did well to win.

    Did you find it "painful" to read the forum today?


    Edit: for the record, no, I don't care that the Ravens just tied the record for consecutive division wins. What they did last year and the year before that doesn't get them any close to the Super Bowl this year.




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    Re: Time for some more perspective

    great thread; we just played our hated rival with the #1 defense, at home in arguably a 'must win' scenario.... and WON! Who cares how they won it, they won it. Freakin awesome!!!




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    Re: Time for some more perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    Right, you're not angry.
    Don't you think you're being a little unfair and judgmental here? It was simply a thread started by an OP who wanted to highlight the positives. It's okay to disagree with him but don't attack the messenger, just attack the message.




  11. #26

    Re: Time for some more perspective

    It's like a roller coaster ride. Some folks are enjoying the thrill of the ups and downs and twists and turns, and others are yelling, "We are going to die!!!".

    To each his own....




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    Re: Time for some more perspective

    Good thread however one of the reasons why there's concern is because the expectations we all have. Now I will admit some of the negative tones on this board goes way beyond rationaliztion. I'm personally happy with the win. It was huge. It's just that we know this offense on the road can easily be the same offense at home. If we could just see 3/4 of the efficient offense at home we see on the road then maybe there would far less bickering.




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    Re: Time for some more perspective

    Back to perspective, I've had one more thought swimming around in my mind that I'd like to voice now, and that's about asterisks.

    There are some who would like to say "the Ravens won but Roethlisberger was out" as if that somehow means something. I suppose if the totality of the game was measured by 60 minutes of playing time, perhaps that argument could be made. But the reality is far greater: there is planning, drafting, practice, and strategic decisions that do not happen in a vacuum. Also you would have to be an idiot to think injuries don't factor as well, and you have to plan for them too. Football is a game where all of this matters, and all of this goes into a win.

    Sure you can say Ben is a great quarterback, but you also have to know he is as high risk as he is high reward. If you roll the dice with him you may very well lose. Ben's problem is that he's beat up, and I would be worried that he would not last a season, as we see here.

    So here we have situation where the Ravens may not put Flacco out there to win the game big, but he sure didn't lose it. And he's still very healthy.

    The Ravens manage their game so they can take some injuries to key players and still win. Would we win in Flacco went down? Probably not. But on the other hand the Ravens didn't put him out there for years, let him get clobbered, and then wonder why he's breaking down midseason now.

    Ben injured and out is a result of decisions made and damage done weeks and years ago, and that has as much to do with this win as any play on the field last night.

    Those who desire an asterisk can stick that pointy little mark right up their ass.




  14. #29

    Re: Time for some more perspective

    It was a good game. I was glad we escaped with the W.

    There are two things that matter *far* more than anything else: (1) Winning and (2) staying healthy.

    We've done a good job with (1) and a fair job with (2). Sure, we always want to win elegantly and we always want to win 55-10, but concerns like that are small compared to (1) and (2).

    I thought we were clearly the better team yesterday. The score was close, but the better team won. Hopefully next week we will win again. Maybe even win pretty, but I'd be happy with the win.
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    Re: Time for some more perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by 2gigch1 View Post
    Back to perspective, I've had one more thought swimming around in my mind that I'd like to voice now, and that's about asterisks.

    There are some who would like to say "the Ravens won but Roethlisberger was out" as if that somehow means something. I suppose if the totality of the game was measured by 60 minutes of playing time, perhaps that argument could be made. But the reality is far greater: there is planning, drafting, practice, and strategic decisions that do not happen in a vacuum. Also you would have to be an idiot to think injuries don't factor as well, and you have to plan for them too. Football is a game where all of this matters, and all of this goes into a win.

    Sure you can say Ben is a great quarterback, but you also have to know he is as high risk as he is high reward. If you roll the dice with him you may very well lose. Ben's problem is that he's beat up, and I would be worried that he would not last a season, as we see here.

    So here we have situation where the Ravens may not put Flacco out there to win the game big, but he sure didn't lose it. And he's still very healthy.

    The Ravens manage their game so they can take some injuries to key players and still win. Would we win in Flacco went down? Probably not. But on the other hand the Ravens didn't put him out there for years, let him get clobbered, and then wonder why he's breaking down midseason now.

    Ben injured and out is a result of decisions made and damage done weeks and years ago, and that has as much to do with this win as any play on the field last night.

    Those who desire an asterisk can stick that pointy little mark right up their ass.
    I don't care about the asterisks in terms of taunting Steelers' fans.

    Nor do I view the win at less than 100% of a win.

    But in terms of gauging our own performance in that win, it absolutely matters that Ben did not play. Why? Because the Steelers starting Leftwich all year, in my opinion, win like 6-7 games tops. In other words we barely beat an average-at-best team on the road last night. Can we do anything but play the team that is put in front of us? No, of course not. Is beating (barely, or otherwise) an average team on the road still an accomplishment? Yes, of course it is. But it isn't the same as beating a good team on the road, which would have been an even better, more-encouraging performance (like at Pittsburgh last year).




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