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    Re: Ravens closing in on Division record



    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    True, but how many years does it take to realize that Cam can be as stubborn as a mule, often at the worst times? And for Harbs not to step in when Cam is completely soiling the linens?
    In 2011: Jets, 1st Texans, Jaguars, Seahawks, Chargers, Texans (Playoffs) were all games were Cam either didn't run the ball or didn't adjust to what the opposing D was doing (at least not until someone forced him too) or both.
    That's 5 reg. season games and 1 playoff game, 6 out of 18 games, or 1 out of 3 where Cam calls a crap game. And Harbs doesn't step in soon enough/not at all.
    I wanted Cam gone after last year, but I understood why they extended him because of losing Pagano to the Colts and the lockout.




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    Quote Originally Posted by nickh0801 View Post
    I still don't understand why some people want Harbaugh gone. (Other than his loyalty to Cam and keeping him around, but still)

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    Because hes bad with clock management and is a bad judge of talent.

    That said, I do like him, but it would not make me upset to see him gone




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    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    Because hes bad with clock management and is a bad judge of talent.

    That said, I do like him, but it would not make me upset to see him gone
    It would upset me because I get the sense he will eventually figure it all out as he is a smart guy. I see him as one of those late bloomers that JohnBKistler mentioned a few posts up. I just want him to hurry up and bloom already :P




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    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    Because hes bad with clock management and is a bad judge of talent.

    That said, I do like him, but it would not make me upset to see him gone
    Bad judge of talent?

    Please explain.
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    Re: Ravens closing in on Division record

    It's funny to see this article, which explains that Baltimore has been consistently winning for the past four years.... consistently in the playoffs.... consistently beating our competition in the division.... and yet still people are calling for the coach's head.

    We're lucky to have Harbaugh. I can only imagine the epic fail the past few years would have been if Rex Ryan had been given the job.

    Also, I draw comics for a living and spend a lot of time at conventions across the country. I've seen a TON of cosplay (and by ton I mean rolls and rolls of fat stuffed into spandex) and this is the best Bane cosplay I've ever seen. Bring your ass to the Baltimore Comic Con next fall if you want to get some appreciation.




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    "Ravens Closing in on Division Record"

    Annnnd again





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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    There have been a number of coaches that have had success right from the get go: Vince Lombardi, Joe Gibbs, Bill Walsh, George Halas, Jimmy Johnson, Weeb Ewbank and Bill Parcells all won a title by year 4.

    Then, there have been a number of really good coaches that have never worn the ring: Marty Schottenheimer (13 playoff teams), Bud Grant (12 playoff teams), Chuck Knox (11 playoff teams), Dan Reeves and Andy Reid (both with 9 playoff teams).

    Then there are the late bloomers.
    9 years (and his second team) before coach A won a title.
    11 years before coach B won a title.
    8 years before coach C won a title.
    5 years before coach D won a title.
    6 years (and his second team) before coach E won a title.
    13 years before coach F won a title.
    11 years (and his second team) before coach G won a title.

    Coach A = Don Shula
    Coach B = Tom Landry
    Coach C = Curley Lambeau
    Coach D = Chuck Knoll
    Coach E = Bill Belichik
    Coach F = Bill Cowher
    Coach G = Tom Coughlin


    We know Harbaugh isn't part of the first group, but is he in the second group, or the third? Choose wisely...
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    Re: Ravens closing in on Division record

    Quote Originally Posted by Ngata_Ate_My_Lunch View Post
    It's funny to see this article, which explains that Baltimore has been consistently winning for the past four years.... consistently in the playoffs.... consistently beating our competition in the division.... and yet still people are calling for the coach's head.

    We're lucky to have Harbaugh. I can only imagine the epic fail the past few years would have been if Rex Ryan had been given the job.

    Also, I draw comics for a living and spend a lot of time at conventions across the country. I've seen a TON of cosplay (and by ton I mean rolls and rolls of fat stuffed into spandex) and this is the best Bane cosplay I've ever seen. Bring your ass to the Baltimore Comic Con next fall if you want to get some appreciation.
    Hey, I apologize if someone else asked this and I missed it over the other pages of this thread, but who are you? I'm a big comics fan and would be interested to know if you're someone whose work I'm already familiar with, and if not, I'd love to check your stuff out!




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    Re: Ravens closing in on Division record

    Quote Originally Posted by Ngata_Ate_My_Lunch View Post
    It's funny to see this article, which explains that Baltimore has been consistently winning for the past four years.... consistently in the playoffs.... consistently beating our competition in the division.... and yet still people are calling for the coach's head.

    We're lucky to have Harbaugh. I can only imagine the epic fail the past few years would have been if Rex Ryan had been given the job.

    Also, I draw comics for a living and spend a lot of time at conventions across the country. I've seen a TON of cosplay (and by ton I mean rolls and rolls of fat stuffed into spandex) and this is the best Bane cosplay I've ever seen. Bring your ass to the Baltimore Comic Con next fall if you want to get some appreciation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    There have been a number of coaches that have had success right from the get go: Vince Lombardi, Joe Gibbs, Bill Walsh, George Halas, Jimmy Johnson, Weeb Ewbank and Bill Parcells all won a title by year 4.

    Then, there have been a number of really good coaches that have never worn the ring: Marty Schottenheimer (13 playoff teams), Bud Grant (12 playoff teams), Chuck Knox (11 playoff teams), Dan Reeves and Andy Reid (both with 9 playoff teams).

    Then there are the late bloomers.
    9 years (and his second team) before coach A won a title.
    11 years before coach B won a title.
    8 years before coach C won a title.
    5 years before coach D won a title.
    6 years (and his second team) before coach E won a title.
    13 years before coach F won a title.
    11 years (and his second team) before coach G won a title.

    Coach A = Don Shula
    Coach B = Tom Landry
    Coach C = Curley Lambeau
    Coach D = Chuck Knoll
    Coach E = Bill Belichik
    Coach F = Bill Cowher
    Coach G = Tom Coughlin


    We know Harbaugh isn't part of the first group, but is he in the second group, or the third? Choose wisely...
    Second group. I have a steak dinner on it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ngata_Ate_My_Lunch View Post
    Also, I draw comics for a living and spend a lot of time at conventions across the country. I've seen a TON of cosplay (and by ton I mean rolls and rolls of fat stuffed into spandex) and this is the best Bane cosplay I've ever seen. Bring your ass to the Baltimore Comic Con next fall if you want to get some appreciation.
    Here's a link to some pics.

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    That's because if there is anyone who really is on Venom it would be Captain Silver.
    Well played.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Bad judge of talent?

    Please explain.
    Yeah, I need to hear more about that one. And bad clock management? That has been said about every single coach in NFL history.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GaTechRavens View Post
    Yeah, I need to hear more about that one. And bad clock management? That has been said about every single coach in NFL history.
    Well, there was that one timeout that came back on the plane with them from Foxboro last year. But other than that one instance, Harbaugh has been decent.

    In terms of another aspect of clock management, the one vast improvement over the previous coaching staff is the tempo of the offense. Even before they went to the no-huddle/sugar-huddle this year, Harbaugh/Cameron almost always had the offense out of the huddle and up to the line of scrimmage with time to spare.

    How many times did Billick's offenses just seem to plod, plod, plod their way from play to play?




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    U guys are complaining just to complain. we easily could have wound up with Garret or Rex. Either would have been a disaster. The players buy what Harbs sells and they win every year. Lets resume this thread in 5 years if we still have no trophy. Until then this is a non issue.




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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyonfleet View Post
    U guys are complaining just to complain. we easily could have wound up with Garret or Rex. Either would have been a disaster. The players buy what Harbs sells and they win every year. Lets resume this thread in 5 years if we still have no trophy. Until then this is a non issue.
    Actually, no. If you READ the first words of the OP's post it says, "I still don't understand why some people want Harbaugh gone(?)"

    Meaning myself and a few others are answering his question about why we do not like John Harbaugh as head coach. I didn't start a thread to state my position, I merely VOICE my opinion when the question or reasons for continued failure to win a championship arise.

    I am not alone in my opinion that John hasn't done enough, Super Bowl, MVP Steve Young agrees that the Ravens have had more talent on the field than most of the NFL and have done the least with it. Do you think this team is always going to have that much talent?

    Then the apologist come along, and yes I agree we were a dropped pass from the Super Bowl, but by that same token, we should have been smashing the Patriots as we were out playing them the whole game, but we missed key strategic points that other head coaches would have feasted on.

    Having hindsight into who would have been coach is pointless because I never would have fired Billick, he was a QB away from another Super Bowl victory. Spare me the crucifixtion of Brian Billick, I am merely stating an answer to Garret and Rex.

    So Timmyonfleet, read the whole ongoing discussion before you presume all us 'guys' complain to complain, were that the case I would start my own thread. And pray tell, when we have no trophy in 5 years, is it then permissable to have the opinion that John Harbaugh is an underachiever? Give me a break.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    Actually, no. If you READ the first words of the OP's post it says, "I still don't understand why some people want Harbaugh gone(?)"

    Meaning myself and a few others are answering his question about why we do not like John Harbaugh as head coach. I didn't start a thread to state my position, I merely VOICE my opinion when the question or reasons for continued failure to win a championship arise.

    I am not alone in my opinion that John hasn't done enough, Super Bowl, MVP Steve Young agrees that the Ravens have had more talent on the field than most of the NFL and have done the least with it. Do you think this team is always going to have that much talent?

    Then the apologist come along, and yes I agree we were a dropped pass from the Super Bowl, but by that same token, we should have been smashing the Patriots as we were out playing them the whole game, but we missed key strategic points that other head coaches would have feasted on.

    Having hindsight into who would have been coach is pointless because I never would have fired Billick, he was a QB away from another Super Bowl victory. Spare me the crucifixtion of Brian Billick, I am merely stating an answer to Garret and Rex.

    So Timmyonfleet, read the whole ongoing discussion before you presume all us 'guys' complain to complain, were that the case I would start my own thread. And pray tell, when we have no trophy in 5 years, is it then permissable to have the opinion that John Harbaugh is an underachiever? Give me a break.
    Interesting opinions; obviously there is no way to prove or disprove. It's also possible that Harbaugh has done a good job getting the talent to play as a team, and another coach may not have gotten the Ravens as far. Again, no way to prove one way or another.

    There will always be I suppose a group of fans that think the coach is holding the team back, while another group feels that the coach is putting them in the best position to win. Makes for interesting conversation for sure.
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