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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?



    Bobbie has had 3.5 times more snaps than Jah, but in Jah's 61 snaps, he has played okay considering IMO that he is largely still a rookie. PFF scored as a zero vs. OAK; he had a penalty which negated his positive run and pass blocking scores. He has no other negative scores on the books besides the penalty.

    I'm pretty sure what Bobbie will give us vs. PIT. No idea with Jah, so I'm excited to see how he does. And we traded up to get this guy, so it's definitely time to see the payoff.




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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    Don't know what you be watching but oher is having his best year to date IMO.

    Only five pens, 2 sacks and 15 hurries. It was 11, 10 and 43 last year. It was 13,9,28 the last time he played left tackle.

    Marked improvement, give the guy credit. 2 sacks against the likes of ware, hali, Houston, babin, cole, watt, Barwin, etc is pretty exceptional in my opinion.
    Read what I wrote, I said he isn't a very good LT in this league. Is he doing remarkably better than in years past? Yep. Does that somehow give me confidence in the future? Nope not at all.




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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    I just find it kind of funny how we have a tackle (Oher) whose size is more prototypical of a guard's and a guard (Reid) whose size is ideal for a tackle.




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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Left guard has been an undecided position all year and it's time to make a final decision on who should remain the starter. Jah Reid has finally got healthy and played well last week when he replaced Williams as the LG, Williams on the other hand is clearly really struggling with his ankle issues and his age... Reid is obviously much more athletic than Williams at this point in his career, and we need second level blocking in our run game if we want to get through this winter stretch running the ball effectively.
    All things being equal, I like to see an OL that's played together stay together. But all things aren't equal, as you point out. Youth and athleticism favor Reid. To stay on this roster Williams must have some locker room/mentor mojo. I remember him going out for the Opening Day coin toss as Offensive Capt., then Harewood starts (when did Ramon even get 1st team snaps @ LG??). Reid has gotten healthy and had a decent game vs. Oakland. He will help both Oher and Birk more than Williams has. Guys on here talking about moving KO to LG, Reid to RT, and McKinnie to LT - that's just too much change when we're facing these next 3 tough games. Gotta admit, kinda wondering why we're carrying so much "veteran depth" (Williams and McKinnie) on the OL. Compensating for our drinky OL coach? Or perhaps they were expecting McKinnie to be motivated by financial incentive, like it seemed they were trying to motivate Gaither by competion against Oher. I don't think a Gaither or McKinnie can be motivated in traditional Harbs ways. That's where Oher pulls ahead of other LT candidates of the Harbs era - on character issues.




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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    Read what I wrote, I said he isn't a very good LT in this league. Is he doing remarkably better than in years past? Yep. Does that somehow give me confidence in the future? Nope not at all.
    "can't handle the elite pass rushers in the league. He's also a penalty machine."

    You also said the above which I've proven isn't the case this year.

    And for what it's worth, giving up two sacks through 9 games t me would say he's been a pretty good "left tackle in this league" thus far, this year.




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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    "can't handle the elite pass rushers in the league. He's also a penalty machine."

    You also said the above which I've proven isn't the case this year.

    And for what it's worth, giving up two sacks through 9 games t me would say he's been a pretty good "left tackle in this league" thus far, this year.
    ehhhh... are you watching or reading stats.
    He's played markedly better this year, but he's still not very good... at all.

    To answer the OP, neither. I'm on the put McKinnie in the game and move one of the current tackles to guard groups...




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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    "can't handle the elite pass rushers in the league. He's also a penalty machine."

    You also said the above which I've proven isn't the case this year.

    And for what it's worth, giving up two sacks through 9 games t me would say he's been a pretty good "left tackle in this league" thus far, this year.
    Ok thus far THIS YEAR he has done remarkably well comparatively, however my point still stands. He's been owned throughout his career and has statistically high penalties in his career. And to be honest, just by the "eyeball" test he should have at least another half dozen false starts, maybe more, but I know watching on TV or at the game he's jumped and everyone sucks in a breath real quick expecting the flag,lol.




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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    I am probably the furthest thing from an OL expert, but my layman eyes say that Jah should start over Williams. In regards to Oher, he looks like an average LT in the NFL (which is pretty good).




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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    I just find it kind of funny how we have a tackle (Oher) whose size is more prototypical of a guard's and a guard (Reid) whose size is ideal for a tackle.
    Sometimes guys just don't have the footwork to be perimeter blockers. Leonard Davis was a good example of this. Average tackle. Dallas signs him, moves him to guard, and he played on a pro bowl level.
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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    Ok thus far THIS YEAR he has done remarkably well comparatively, however my point still stands. He's been owned throughout his career and has statistically high penalties in his career. And to be honest, just by the "eyeball" test he should have at least another half dozen false starts, maybe more, but I know watching on TV or at the game he's jumped and everyone sucks in a breath real quick expecting the flag,lol.
    Just curious man, but do you think that it would be an unlikely scenario for Oher to get better or improve?

    I'm not meaning that to be disrespectful at all. I'm legitimately curious because I've heard several people claim what you're claiming, but for all intents and purposes his play - this year - is better than last year at RT and the year before at LT. So, there would be some reason to think that he has improved and can continue to improve.
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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Just curious man, but do you think that it would be an unlikely scenario for Oher to get better or improve?

    I'm not meaning that to be disrespectful at all. I'm legitimately curious because I've heard several people claim what you're claiming, but for all intents and purposes his play - this year - is better than last year at RT and the year before at LT. So, there would be some reason to think that he has improved and can continue to improve.
    With his work ethic he certainly can improve, as shown by his play this year. I'm not putting him down in Cousins land by any stretch.




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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    With his work ethic he certainly can improve, as shown by his play this year. I'm not putting him down in Cousins land by any stretch.
    We don't need him to be a superstar, or JO... He just has to be decent, and I think he can become just that, and has been decent this year. It's just a case on whether or not he can do it on a consistent basis. Barely any teams have a LT that you can call elite, it's probably the most physically hardest position that you can play in sports. Even if Oher was elite, there would be no way we could keep him anyway, because some LT's are earning more than good QB's in this league.




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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    If you really look at the way Oher has performed when it's matter the most, the Steelers haven't always been able to rush all on him. In 2010 at Heinz Field, Joe Flacco was no sacked and that was with Oher at LT.
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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    If you really look at the way Oher has performed when it's matter the most, the Steelers haven't always been able to rush all on him. In 2010 at Heinz Field, Joe Flacco was no sacked and that was with Oher at LT.
    Oher's problem always will be his mental capacity to play on the left side in the NFL, he has the physical TALENT, but I question his ability to diagnose what the defense is doing and what to do in order to prevent anything. That's something you cannot coach, but so far, he seems to have really improved mentally and isn't making as many mental errors. Most of his bad games this year (there haven't been all that many) have been against elite pass rushers on the road. I'd be willing to bet that every LT would have struggled with some of the pass rushers Oher's had to face this year.




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    Re: Jah Reid or Bobbie Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Oher's problem always will be his mental capacity to play on the left side in the NFL, he has the physical TALENT, but I question his ability to diagnose what the defense is doing and what to do in order to prevent anything. That's something you cannot coach, but so far, he seems to have really improved mentally and isn't making as many mental errors. Most of his bad games this year (there haven't been all that many) have been against elite pass rushers on the road. I'd be willing to bet that every LT would have struggled with some of the pass rushers Oher's had to face this year.
    I agree with some of what your saying but I do think he has shown some improvement this season and I think he can improve his game exactly for the reason you said.... a lot of his issues are mental mistakes. Some players can fix em and others just never do. The fact he has shown a significant amount of improvement in that facet of the game compared to last year tells me he has the capacity to do so and thus hopefully will continue to do so.

    Far as Reid or Williams. It kinda does not matter which starts. I would give them both reps in the first half and if one is clearly playing better than the other, thats the guy who will get the bulk in the second half. Pay for play so to speak.
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