SoundFX: John Harbaugh

**Justlovemybirds** · 11-15-2012, 09:34 AM

Harbs was mic'd up for the Oakland game

http://www.nfl.com/videos/baltimore-...ns-flying-high

Interesting hearing him discuss going for the fake Field Goal.

**palukaraven** · 11-15-2012, 09:44 AM

Saw that on the NFL network last night. One thing that I did notice, is that when Flacco threw one of is TD's, and Rice ran another in nearly unscathed, Harbaugh seemed to praise Cam and give him credit for good play calling. Not saying this is right or wrong, good or bad, it just goes along with the irony of all the heat the offense takes and Harbaugh's loyalty to his coaches.

**Ravens75** · 11-15-2012, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by palukaraven

Saw that on the NFL network last night. One thing that I did notice, is that when Flacco threw one of is TD's, and Rice ran another in nearly unscathed, Harbaugh seemed to praise Cam and give him credit for good play calling. Not saying this is right or wrong, good or bad, it's just goes along with the irony of all the heat the offense takes and Harbaugh's loyalty to his coaches.

I've been saying this for at least two years since Harbs gave Cam Cameron the game ball for the win over the Steelers in Heinz. That was Joe's first real difference making performance and Harbs could've established Joe as the leader of the team (along with Ray) just by praising him. Instead he chooses Cam.

If Harbs doesn't get the Ravens over the hump and he gets fired he'll need to look in the mirror and ask himself if his loyalty to the coaches was his undoing.

The guy just seems to lack common sense sometimes.

**Paintballguy** · 11-15-2012, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Ravens75

I've been saying this for at least two years since Harbs gave Cam Cameron the game ball for the win over the Steelers in Heinz. That was Joe's first real difference making performance and Harbs could've established Joe as the leader of the team (along with Ray) just by praising him. Instead he chooses Cam.

If Harbs doesn't get the Ravens over the hump and he gets fired he'll need to look in the mirror and ask himself if his loyalty to the coaches was his undoing.

The guy just seems to lack common sense sometimes.

Do you really believe that not giving Joe a game ball affects him? If you do, I want what you are on. If you ask any Ravens player about Joe, they are behind him 100%.

Also, the Ravens will be the only team to ever make the playoffs 5 consecutive times under Harbaugh and Flacco if they make the playoffs this year. You are seriously crazy if you think Harbaugh would get fired. He's been a fantastic coach for the Ravens.

**leachisabeast** · 11-15-2012, 10:11 AM

Jesus christ, people want to find every little thing to pick on with Harbaugh, it really puzzles me at times. Harbaugh praises everyone for their efforts, and I have even heard him shout at Cam for dumb play calls before on sound FX. :grbac:

**Ravenalytics** · 11-15-2012, 10:27 AM

For some reason, Harbaugh reminds me of Coach Taylor from Friday Night Lights. So he's all good by me, haha.

Seriously though, the way he's worked this team with such a high rate of turnover, he deserves to be counted among the "elite" coaches in the NFL along with the likes of Darth Belichick, Tomlin, Coughlin, and Sean Payton.

Very happy to have him.

**palukaraven** · 11-15-2012, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Jesus christ, people want to find every little thing to pick on with Harbaugh, it really puzzles me at times. Harbaugh praises everyone for their efforts, and I have even heard him shout at Cam for dumb play calls before on sound FX. :grbac:

Sorry pal, people are allowed their opinions just as you are. You don't need to respond if you don't like it. It's called respecting other peoples objective opinions and posts. As much as you'd like to believe you're opinion is always "right," it's not, which is why it's called an opinion. I wouldn't have responded this way if I didn't believe you're coming across as condescending.

**Ravens75** · 11-15-2012, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

Do you really believe that not giving Joe a game ball affects him? If you do, I want what you are on. If you ask any Ravens player about Joe, they are behind him 100%.

Also, the Ravens will be the only team to ever make the playoffs 5 consecutive times under Harbaugh and Flacco if they make the playoffs this year. You are seriously crazy if you think Harbaugh would get fired. He's been a fantastic coach for the Ravens.

A good manager knows that his performers are the ones that he needs to instill the most confidence in as well as jerk their proverbial chain. Look at how Mike Tomlin handles his team. It's about THE PLAYERS not the coaches. Coach those guys up and get them to perform at a high level. Who gives a fuck about a play caller. You can make the greatest call in the history of the game and if the players don't EXECUTE then it doesn't mean dick. Look at the genius in NE. He's probably making great calls on defense but his team isn't executing.

Joe at that time (and even now) was getting destroyed by the media, players and others. He even had doubters in his own locker room(and if you think that's really changed see Ed Reed 2011). Why not give him the game ball? I remember when they showed that Cam game ball clip and you had a few players that had a look of 'is he serious'.

Lastly I don't give a fuck how much Harbs has won, if he can't get over the top because of stubborness to change then he should be fired. Denny Green won a lot and where'd that leave him? The Chin was notoriously stubborn and until someone told him he couldn't have his way (ie drafting Shawn Andrews over Ben) the Steelers didn't get it done. Harbaugh is a good coach no doubt but we don't need another Andy Reid which is to say good but always falling short. We're in a division with a HC who seems to get it and worse wins titles. I get if Harbs pushes all the right buttons and he just falls short but he seems intent on doing things his way (ie acting as if Cam and his coaches (includes Moeller and Rosburg) are bigger than the players). The Mattison hire damn near destroyed the foundation of this defense. Fortunately higher powers pushed for a change.

Hopefully this will help you understand where I am coming from. BTW I forgive you for your personal shots and your completely assinine post.

Have a good day paintjobguy

**Paintballguy** · 11-15-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ravens75

A good manager knows that his performers are the ones that he needs to instill the most confidence in as well as jerk their proverbial chain. Look at how Mike Tomlin handles his team. It's about THE PLAYERS not the coaches. Coach those guys up and get them to perform at a high level. Who gives a fuck about a play caller. You can make the greatest call in the history of the game and if the players don't EXECUTE then it doesn't mean dick. Look at the genius in NE. He's probably making great calls on defense but his team isn't executing.

Joe at that time (and even now) was getting destroyed by the media, players and others. He even had doubters in his own locker room(and if you think that's really changed see Ed Reed 2011). Why not give him the game ball? I remember when they showed that Cam game ball clip and you had a few players that had a look of 'is he serious'.

Lastly I don't give a fuck how much Harbs has won, if he can't get over the top because of stubborness to change then he should be fired. Denny Green won a lot and where'd that leave him? The Chin was notoriously stubborn and until someone told him he couldn't have his way (ie drafting Shawn Andrews over Ben) the Steelers didn't get it done. Harbaugh is a good coach no doubt but we don't need another Andy Reid which is to say good but always falling short. We're in a division with a HC who seems to get it and worse wins titles. I get if Harbs pushes all the right buttons and he just falls short but he seems intent on doing things his way (ie acting as if Cam and his coaches (includes Moeller and Rosburg) are bigger than the players). The Mattison hire damn near destroyed the foundation of this defense. Fortunately higher powers pushed for a change.

Hopefully this will help you understand where I am coming from. BTW I forgive you for your personal shots and your completely assinine post.

Have a good day paintjobguy

We were a dropped pass/missed chipshot away from a superbowl appearance last year. Harbaugh has consistently put this team in a place to win every year he's been here. It's not his fault that Lee Evans couldn't catch a routine pass or Cundiff couldn't make a chip shot. And look who isn't on the team anymore... Harbaugh is a good coach. He knows what he's doing.

**Paintballguy** · 11-15-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ravens75

A good manager knows that his performers are the ones that he needs to instill the most confidence in as well as jerk their proverbial chain. Look at how Mike Tomlin handles his team. It's about THE PLAYERS not the coaches. Coach those guys up and get them to perform at a high level. Who gives a fuck about a play caller. You can make the greatest call in the history of the game and if the players don't EXECUTE then it doesn't mean dick. Look at the genius in NE. He's probably making great calls on defense but his team isn't executing.

Joe at that time (and even now) was getting destroyed by the media, players and others. He even had doubters in his own locker room(and if you think that's really changed see Ed Reed 2011). Why not give him the game ball? I remember when they showed that Cam game ball clip and you had a few players that had a look of 'is he serious'.

Lastly I don't give a fuck how much Harbs has won, if he can't get over the top because of stubborness to change then he should be fired. Denny Green won a lot and where'd that leave him? The Chin was notoriously stubborn and until someone told him he couldn't have his way (ie drafting Shawn Andrews over Ben) the Steelers didn't get it done. Harbaugh is a good coach no doubt but we don't need another Andy Reid which is to say good but always falling short. We're in a division with a HC who seems to get it and worse wins titles. I get if Harbs pushes all the right buttons and he just falls short but he seems intent on doing things his way (ie acting as if Cam and his coaches (includes Moeller and Rosburg) are bigger than the players). The Mattison hire damn near destroyed the foundation of this defense. Fortunately higher powers pushed for a change.

Hopefully this will help you understand where I am coming from. BTW I forgive you for your personal shots and your completely assinine post.

Have a good day paintjobguy

We were a dropped pass/missed chipshot away from a superbowl appearance last year. Harbaugh has consistently put this team in a place to win every year he's been here. It's not his fault that Lee Evans couldn't catch a routine pass or Cundiff couldn't make a chip shot. And look who isn't on the team anymore... Harbaugh is a good coach. I believe he's forgot more about football than you will ever know.

**ravensnhokies** · 11-15-2012, 10:23 AM

I gleaned from the show that Harbs really never gets involved at all in Cam's playcalling. If you have some ownership in the decision, you dont directly praise that subordinate. They showed him talking strategy with Rosburg on the fake FG. He should be doing the same with Cam. My thoughts of John mostly being a glorified college coach are never debunked when we get these sideline videos on SoundFX or RaveTV. Maybe I'm wrong in my expectations, but I want my coach to be the master strategist during a game, and I just dont see John being that type of coach. Sure you dont micromanage every aspect, but when things arent going right, that's when you step in and take charge. Perhaps the Raiders game wasnt the best example, b/c nearly every aspect of the game was achieving at a high level. Like some people's opinions on Joe, I always be a doubting Thomas WRT Harbs being the capable coach to lead us to a SB victory. And I don't think my opinion will change until a trophy is raised. As a Ravens fan, I hope I am completely wrong.

**leachisabeast** · 11-15-2012, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by ravensnhokies

I gleaned from the show that Harbs really never gets involved at all in Cam's playcalling. If you have some ownership in the decision, you dont directly praise that subordinate. They showed him talking strategy with Rosburg on the fake FG. He should be doing the same with Cam. My thoughts of John mostly being a glorified college coach are never debunked when we get these sideline videos on SoundFX or RaveTV. Maybe I'm wrong in my expectations , but I want my coach to be the master strategist during a game, and I just dont see John being that type of coach. Sure you dont micromanage every aspect, but when things arent going right, that's when you step in and take charge. Perhaps the Raiders game wasnt the best example, b/c nearly every aspect of the game was achieving at a high level. Like some people's opinions on Joe, I always be a doubting Thomas WRT Harbs being the capable coach to lead us to a SB victory. And I don't think my opinion will change until a trophy is raised.

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