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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Did you ever read the story, "the boy who cried wolf"?




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    I think some people are possibly misusing the terms 'faked' and 'milked'. Kind of similar to the Gaither topic. Faking means it never took place (which is doubtful in both scenarios), milking means they can play it up for their or their teams benefit. Granted Sanders was just fined for "faking" an injury, under the circumstances i cant see Roethlisberger faking anything. theres no benefit. However milking is something hes done before. Without know he could have been pulled for precautionary reasons and now be able to milk a lesser injury. Hes also been legitimately hurt and unable to play so I think we should see whats actually reported and not speculated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSkins Fury View Post
    Yeah, we've been made Leftwich's bitch on more than one occasion in his illustrious "Boller Beating" career... They still have speed at WR, and a decent Running game. KC did a good job shutting their WRs down on a slow field. But, if Wallace is running free, it doesn't matter who the QB is.
    LOL. Shouldn't you be posting exclusively in the "We're going to go 8-8" thread? That seems to have pretty well summed up your feelings on this team...no need to rehash.




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    Ben played on a bad ankle at San Francisco last year and it relly hurt the team. It owuld have been better to play Batch or Leftwich.

    I do no tquestion his toughness or willingness to play with nagging injuries.

    This injury may be a different story. If he can't throw he can't go.

    I recall watching Bradshaw trying to throw with his injured elbow. He threw a limp pass for a touchdown against the Jets but it was his last throw in the NFL.




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    Have we heard from Ben yet? He has said nothing, as usual. The only time he talks about his injuries is when he is asked. Show me where he rented out commericla intim or rented and ad the Sun talking about his injury. Guess what - the MEDIA talks about his injuries. He is hurt - how would you expect it to play out? High ankle sprains, broken noses, ribs, broken foot, etc, how is that crying wolf? It is select fans and haters who just label him that way. Please present to me evidence of him crying wolf.

    Much is made of him playing hurt because, well, he is played hurt much more than most QB's. I can understand having disdain for him as an opposing fan, but to make unfounded statements like that? That has zero credibility. I just with the guy would have a full season, he was having a great year.

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Did you ever read the story, "the boy who cried wolf"?




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    The Steelers could have a corpse at quarterback and they could still win a Super Bowl. Their games are rigged. I’ve been saying it for years, and every year is more proof. People realize that last time Roethlisberger got hurt, Charlie Batch went undefeated with the exception of the Ravens game, and the Ravens needed a last second Flacco TD pass to win. Oh yeah, and IN BALTIMORE the Ravens needed OVERTIME to beat the Steelers with Dennis Dixon (out of the league) at quarterback (the Ravens have won 15 straight home games!) . Roethlisberger is irrelevant, if the refs are there, the Steelers will be fine. They will probably just need him in the playoffs if they are to play the patriots, otherwise it doesn't matter.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Complex View Post
    Please present to me evidence of him crying wolf.

    Much is made of him playing hurt because, well, he is played hurt much more than most QB's.
    Thanks for providing the evidence.
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    How is that crying Wolf? High ankle sprains, broken noses, broken feet, etc. How is that evidence? Evidence of injury, and playing through them. If he sits out, due to a documented injury, guess what - he would be a labeled a "wimp." Granted, he has played when it surely was not prudent, but do you know what? His loyalty and dedication cannot be question. I want real evidence, not an attempt at wit.

    I have never heard him proclaim his injuries. They appear on injury reports, just like any other player. He just happens to be hurt more. And he is a key player, so of course much will be made over his injury. If Batch separates his shoulder nobody on planet earth would know!

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Thanks for providing the evidence.




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    Wait...what's going on in here?

    Ben is a drama queen, but he is one of the toughest, most competitive SOB's in the game...at any position really.

    If he can play, he will...if he can't, he won't.

    FYI, Apparently Tomlin just said it's a shoulder sprain and he will be listed as questionable this week.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    According to Mike Tomlin, Benny Boy has a Sternoclavicular sprain and is "Questionable"

    Now, if you do some digging into this. Brett Favre sustained a Sternoclavicular sprain against the Bills in 2010. He missed the next game against the Giants, which broke his active game streak. But, he was back the week after, at which point he got a concussion and never played in the NFL again.

    I found an article here: http://www.oa-performancetraining.co...ett-favre.html, which is mentioning that at the time, there was potential treatment that had a chance of enabling Favre to play vs the Giants. But apparently, he didn't respond well.

    So, the take away? 1 - It's Ben Roethlisberger, so I'd say Questionable is about right. Guy has played through things that boggle the mind. 2 - Most likely, he'll need to miss at least the first game. 3 - It is very possible that he misses 1-2 games and is back for the 2nd game vs Baltimore.

    Either that, or Tomlin is trying to throw some misdirection to mask a worse injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Complex View Post
    How is that crying Wolf? High ankle sprains, broken noses, broken feet, etc. How is that evidence? Evidence of injury, and playing through them. If he sits out, due to a documented injury, guess what - he would be a labeled a "wimp." Granted, he has played when it surely was not prudent, but do you know what? His loyalty and dedication cannot be question. I want real evidence, not an attempt at wit.

    I have never heard him proclaim his injuries. They appear on injury reports, just like any other player. He just happens to be hurt more. And he is a key player, so of course much will be made over his injury. If Batch separates his shoulder nobody on planet earth would know!
    I would like to say that Ben R. is a tough QB and frankly, he is elite in my book. I dont like him mostly because he stands in the way of the Ravens winning the division. I dont like the steelers and he is the fuel that makes them go.

    I think he will play on Sunday....gut feeling




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    Ed Werder reported today Ben was in so much pain that he is going back to get further MRI's and evaluations done, he also hurt his ribs as well. He wont be playing soon. Right Shoulder sprain is pretty bad, just a generic term depends on severity. You cant throw a football with accuracy and velocity with a shoulder sprain. If he does try even their will be pick 6's opportunities on many throws. Ask Bert Jones.




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    Tomlin can say whatever the hell he wants to right now. He could say 100% he's is playing on Sunday, but the official injury report is the only thing that matters.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Ed Werder reported today Ben was in so much pain that he is going back to get further MRI's and evaluations done, he also hurt his ribs as well. He wont be playing soon. Right Shoulder sprain is pretty bad, just a generic term depends on severity. You cant throw a football with accuracy and velocity with a shoulder sprain. If he does try even their will be pick 6's opportunities on many throws. Ask Bert Jones.
    I'm a rock climber and had a Grade 2 AC Separation from a severe shoulder impact, (They are calling this a SC Separation which is unique). I was in pain, although I didn't go to the ER... Well I started to and then my buddy and I decided to stop at sonic and get chilidogs instead. Beers and Ibuprofin kicked in and I slept poorly and in pain. Next day at the airport I had trouble lifting my arm to get it in and out of my coat. Got home, got X rays, saw ortho, wait on surgery. After a week I was back climbing lightly, 3 weeks close to 100%. Trowing a football is a different movement than climbing though. I didn't feel loads on the AC joint when I climbed. I think the AC (or SC) joint would take a big load with a throwing motion.

    IMO, He will not be playing. Anyone want to bet lunch?




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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSkins Fury View Post
    I'm a rock climber and had a Grade 2 AC Separation from a severe shoulder impact, (They are calling this a SC Separation which is unique). I was in pain, although I didn't go to the ER... Well I started to and then my buddy and I decided to stop at sonic and get chilidogs instead. Beers and Ibuprofin kicked in and I slept poorly and in pain. Next day at the airport I had trouble lifting my arm to get it in and out of my coat. Got home, got X rays, saw ortho, wait on surgery. After a week I was back climbing lightly, 3 weeks close to 100%. Trowing a football is a different movement than climbing though. I didn't feel loads on the AC joint when I climbed. I think the AC (or SC) joint would take a big load with a throwing motion.

    IMO, He will not be playing. Anyone want to bet lunch?
    +1

    Did the same thing snowboarding. Full AC separation, grade 2. I elected to not have surgery on it, but I did go to the ER and was on perc's for about 3 weeks until the swelling went down. I didn't really have much range of motion for about 2 weeks and after about a month I could move my shoulder without much pain, but I couldn't do push ups and jogging bothered it after about 10 minutes. It was a good 3 months or so before I could really get back into the gym and hit the weights.
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