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    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    Jab, insurance companies should have to pay for people they have covered. I don't know if anybody here would argue that. My son and wife have a kidney disorder that requires twice a year visits to Birmingham hospital, so I know more about insurance than I ever really cared too.

    The problem most of us have is that the government is going to force us to buy insurance and because of that a lot of people are going to feel a large pinch. I have full coverage paid by the University for me and my family so it's not going to affect us at all. Folks who have to pay for premiums, and those whose companies pay a percentage of the insurance are going to be negatively affected.
    Honestly with how many are not insured or dont pay their medical bills, i cant really see fault in the theory. If conservatives are against freeloaders, why is making them be insured or pay a penalty such a bad thing? Givernment mandates aside the end result is a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Honestly with how many are not insured or dont pay their medical bills, i cant really see fault in the theory. If conservatives are against freeloaders, why is making them be insured or pay a penalty such a bad thing? Givernment mandates aside the end result is a good thing.
    Doing evil for the right reason is still evil.

    I am against the government mandating what I do with my money. I've always felt that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Honestly with how many are not insured or dont pay their medical bills, i cant really see fault in the theory. If conservatives are against freeloaders, why is making them be insured or pay a penalty such a bad thing? Givernment mandates aside the end result is a good thing.
    What Darb said.

    Also, this mandate is now a defacto tax on the poor and middle class. You will now be fined via the tax code if you cannot or will not afford insurance.
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    Thats what Pelosi called the rich paying their fair share. They never had to pay
    for health care. Ii think that fine would be 2% of your salary. Rush
    never had to pay for it so 2% of his salary would be in the millions if he doesnt
    pay compared to thousands for me.

    This is what the libbies have given us. That fine or tax is why Roberts said it
    was contitutional and the first point they argued on. Then afterwards the
    DEMs said it wasn't a tax after Roberts passed it because it was a tax like
    SS being taken out of our pay checks every week.

    This is why I always say OBY, OBUMMER, etc, etc. He has really hurt me at
    a personal level by nationalizing health care, the auto industry and making
    this a socialistic European country. I have no respect for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    Jab, insurance companies should have to pay for people they have covered. I don't know if anybody here would argue that. My son and wife have a kidney disorder that requires twice a year visits to Birmingham hospital, so I know more about insurance than I ever really cared too.
    Of course they should have to pay for people they cover, but, a no limit on the amount they pay is not realistic.

    Let's put this in terms of car insurance. If I get drunk do 120mph crash, take out 2 cars a house and kill a person, is my auto insurance going to pay for every bit of damage I cause and law suit that comes my way?
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    Truth be told we already have pseudo universal healthcare. Medicare which covers seniors, the disabled (renal failure), Medicaid for low income families, and then the 1986 mandate Reagan signed that says a hospital Emergency room can't resist treating you if you don't have insurance and regardless if you'll actually pay it back. Yeah your credit will get jacked up but you still live to do whatever you want the next day. Completely ending any of these 3 is unrealistic and political suicide. Obamacare is basically the democrat's admission that the republicans "won" the 90s healthcare debate. The dems and Obama take all the political heat for implementing what the republicans originally wanted and the republicans also almost got a white house win out of it. Win-win. Now see how quick they're saying it's law of the land now. I wouldn't be surprised if guys like Boehner from that 90s era are laughing their asses off and smoking a big cigar as we speak about this...




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    Quote Originally Posted by kojo View Post
    Truth be told we already have pseudo universal healthcare. Medicare which covers seniors, the disabled (renal failure), Medicaid for low income families, and then the 1986 mandate Reagan signed that says a hospital Emergency room can't resist treating you if you don't have insurance and regardless if you'll actually pay it back. Yeah your credit will get jacked up but you still live to do whatever you want the next day. Completely ending any of these 3 is unrealistic and political suicide. Obamacare is basically the democrat's admission that the republicans "won" the 90s healthcare debate. The dems and Obama take all the political heat for implementing what the republicans originally wanted and the republicans also almost got a white house win out of it. Win-win. Now see how quick they're saying it's law of the land now. I wouldn't be surprised if guys like Boehner from that 90s era are laughing their asses off and smoking a big cigar as we speak about this...
    While, I don't totally agree with the rest of this, the bold part I have pondered about. The problem is, the republicans aren't that smart politically to pull that off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    While, I don't totally agree with the rest of this, the bold part I have pondered about. The problem is, the republicans aren't that smart politically to pull that off.
    Sure they are. This is the party that only a few years ago expanded government healthcare (look at the size of the explanation books they sent out to seniors/walmart when Part D passed) demonizing Romney in the primaries for implementing healthcare in his own state when he simply borrowed the idea Gingrich and the freshmen wave crew wanted for the nation a decade or so prior. You don't do something like that, unless you're intelligent enough to know the general public has a short attention span and is just looking for a reason to not like the other party. The Dems do it too, dumb dems hated on Marco Rubio's dream act ideas. Obama implements it and now it's wonderful to them...in any case the tea party republicans just took it way too far and Boehner and crew didn't muzzle them. instead of saying repeal, repeal, replace, all they had to say was "see? Obama is using OUR ideas, not clintons, OURs. Put us in charge and we'll make it even more efficient". Just my opinion though, if you don't agree it's cool. good debate on here




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    Look at all these companies planning lay offs due to health costs including an Ohio company.
    Ohioans can only blame themselves. I don't feel sorry for them. Their votes guaranteed
    my costs going up.

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    As recently as a week ago, a global auto parts manufacturing company in Ohio known as Dana Holding Corp., warned their employees of potential layoffs, citing "$24 million over the next six years in additional U.S. health care expenses". After laying off several white collar staffers, company insiders have hinted at more to come. The company will have to cover the additional $24 million cost somehow, which will likely equate to numerous cuts in their current workforce of 25,500 worldwide.
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    Utah coal mine lays of over 100 due to OBYs war on coal. At least Utah voted for Mitt.

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    In January 2008, Barack Obama promised that his energy and regulatory policies would “necessarily bankrupt” coal plants. Consider this the next step towards fulfilling his campaign pledge. Over 100 coal miners in Utah got pink slips late yesterday, and the mine’s operator blamed Obama’s re-election and the bleak future for coal it portends:

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    That's why we call him O'Bummer.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...012/president/

    The jobs report will increase again next month and by more than 1% but OBY won't even care because he's in. His distruction of America continues.


    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/0...a-war-on-coal/
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    You know, the amusing thing about the coal part is it's mainly the beloved conservative free market that's killing coal. Better technology makes it very efficient for energy generation through natural gas. It's cleaner, and it's dirt cheap. Also, even more amusingly is that the regulations that everyone hates Obama for were passed during the Nixon Era and strengthened by good old George W. (Clean Air Act for reference). Let's also ignore the fact that coal employment is at its highest in 20 years. The only regulation upcoming from this administration is the Utility MACT rule, and hell, there's a decent chance that wont even pass.

    So yeah, I call bullshit on this "War on Coal." Regulations may have had an effect, but maybe its just the market talking for once?

    http://energy.aol.com/2012/06/18/who...he-coal-plant/

    And here's a nice article talking about this exactly.




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    Quote Originally Posted by kojo View Post
    Sure they are. This is the party that only a few years ago expanded government healthcare (look at the size of the explanation books they sent out to seniors/walmart when Part D passed) demonizing Romney in the primaries for implementing healthcare in his own state when he simply borrowed the idea Gingrich and the freshmen wave crew wanted for the nation a decade or so prior. You don't do something like that, unless you're intelligent enough to know the general public has a short attention span and is just looking for a reason to not like the other party. The Dems do it too, dumb dems hated on Marco Rubio's dream act ideas. Obama implements it and now it's wonderful to them...in any case the tea party republicans just took it way too far and Boehner and crew didn't muzzle them. instead of saying repeal, repeal, replace, all they had to say was "see? Obama is using OUR ideas, not clintons, OURs. Put us in charge and we'll make it even more efficient". Just my opinion though, if you don't agree it's cool. good debate on here
    Good pair of posts. i often thought the same thing. Hes implementing a lot of republican ideas but still seeing friction along the way. Wasnt sure why at first but maybe its a little anger that, if it does work, dems get credit for their idea? Reminds me of the clinton era, who still gets blammed but it gets lost that he actually just signed off on republican idea that was in process before he even was elected. How quickly we forget, short memories like you said.
    -JAB




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    Quote Originally Posted by CptJesus View Post
    You know, the amusing thing about the coal part is it's mainly the beloved conservative free market that's killing coal. Better technology makes it very efficient for energy generation through natural gas. It's cleaner, and it's dirt cheap. Also, even more amusingly is that the regulations that everyone hates Obama for were passed during the Nixon Era and strengthened by good old George W. (Clean Air Act for reference). Let's also ignore the fact that coal employment is at its highest in 20 years. The only regulation upcoming from this administration is the Utility MACT rule, and hell, there's a decent chance that wont even pass.

    So yeah, I call bullshit on this "War on Coal." Regulations may have had an effect, but maybe its just the market talking for once?

    http://energy.aol.com/2012/06/18/who...he-coal-plant/

    And here's a nice article talking about this exactly.
    Most of the coal burning plants in my area have already switched to natural gas. Its simply a field of angry people looking to blame anybody they can and the president is an easy target. I agree the free market and mostly natural gas prices have driven these companies away from coal more so than the presidents policies on dirty coal.
    -JAB




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    If you lost your job you'd be angry too like 750 folks in Appalacia.



    I posted a quote where the Prez said he was going to do this and he did.

    But here he said anyone who wants to build a coal plant can but if they do they will be bankrupt thanks to all the EPA regulations strangling it. FDR did the same thing in the depression to companies and a book was just written called TRAITOR TO HIS CLASS where he bankrupted people he grew up with and went to church with by expanding the govt with stricter regulations. OBY is doing the same thing but on a greater scale.


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    “President Obama is responsible entirely for the closure of that mine and the loss of those jobs,” Murray Energy Corporation’s founder and CEO, Robert Murray, a major Republican donor, told CNN in August.

    “The many regulations that he and his radical appointees and the U.S. EPA have put on the use of coal . . . have closed 175 power plants,” Murray added.

    In the 2008 campaign, Obama told the San Francisco Chronicle that the “notion of no coal . . . is an illusion,” but he added that he favored a cap-and-trade system. “So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can,” Obama continued. “It’s just that it will bankrupt them.

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    This is what they do in Russia.
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    Strict EPA regs here in W Va are blamed for layoffs as part of war on coal. EPA does what the Prez orders it to do.

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    “Since the Obama administration has been in, things have been tough on the coal economy,” one West Virginia coal miner said. “It just keeps going downhill, and without it West Virginia will be one state that won’t make it.”

    The Obama administration has portrayed coal as a dirty energy source. The Environmental Protection Agency has imposed tough new regulations to keep operating or get new permits.

    Miners owners argue they can’t afford to make the necessary changes in the amount of time they’re given. That has resulted in layoffs or mines simply shutting down.
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