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    Re: The Ravens approached the offense the wrong way.



    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    I never said Rice should be replaced.
    I just pointed out how he doesn't fit Cam's offense as perfectly as Tomlinson did.

    If anything, I'm suggesting that Cam needs to adjust the offense to better suit Rice's talents*** and stick with those adjustments rather than reverting back to how Cam prefers to do things (Cam's comfort zone).

    ***like for instance, running Rice to the outside more often and not sending him straight up the middle all the time. Also using Rice as an extra receiver, instead of relying on him to pass-block--you can use him to chip block, but with Vonta on this team, he should be the primary pass blocking back, which means he needs to be on the field more often too.

    Speaking of Vonta, how is Flacco supposed to feel comfortable audibling to a run when a pass play is called if the best FB in the league is on the sideline?
    I really don't understand why they don't use leach in pass pro.




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    Re: The Ravens approached the offense the wrong way.

    I hope Oregon wins the national championship so they can hire Chip Kelly
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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I really don't understand why they don't use leach in pass pro.
    Maybe because he's a liability in pass protection?




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    Re: The Ravens approached the offense the wrong way.

    Flacco is just not as good as Rivers used to be or Brees it's not that hard to figure out.

    I said it in Houston, it's a mistake trying to run a hurry up no huddle with a guy who, even the staunchest coddlers will admit, struggles to process information quickly especially in the face of pressure. What did we see after the bye week? A reining in of the hurry up. It's not a mystery. It's the elephant in the room that most people don't like to admit but halfway through year 5 we have a QB who is not good enough to lead a truly prolific offense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    Flacco is just not as good as Rivers used to be or Brees it's not that hard to figure out.

    I said it in Houston, it's a mistake trying to run a hurry up no huddle with a guy who, even the staunchest coddlers will admit, struggles to process information quickly especially in the face of pressure. What did we see after the bye week? A reining in of the hurry up. It's not a mystery. It's the elephant in the room that most people don't like to admit but halfway through year 5 we have a QB who is not good enough to lead a truly prolific offense.
    Just what do you mean by "prolific"?




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    Re: The Ravens approached the offense the wrong way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    I hope Oregon wins the national championship so they can hire Chip Kelly
    Chip Kelley would probably go to a head coaching position, I doubt he'd settle for coordinator after building a powerhouse college football program.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    Chip Kelley would probably go to a head coaching position, I doubt he'd settle for coordinator after building a powerhouse college football program.
    I'm fine with that - welcome the Ravens new head coach ready to take questions:

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  8. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    Just what do you mean by "prolific"?
    An offense that can, week in and week out, be expected to show up and perform at a high level. That is nearly impossible to acheive with average QB play, which is what we have.

    Yes, even the Brady, Brees, and Mannings of the world have bad games, but in a given game you go in EXPECTING their teams to perform well on offense. With us? It's a crap shoot. Generally we do OK versus poor defenses and bad versus good ones. We are never carried about what should be expected against our opponent, or at least quite rarely. That is not on the OC at this point, I'm sorry. It's year 5.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    An offense that can, week in and week out, be expected to show up and perform at a high level. That is nearly impossible to acheive with average QB play, which is what we have.

    Yes, even the Brady, Brees, and Mannings of the world have bad games, but in a given game you go in EXPECTING their teams to perform well on offense. With us? It's a crap shoot. Generally we do OK versus poor defenses and bad versus good ones. We are never carried about what should be expected against our opponent, or at least quite rarely. That is not on the OC at this point, I'm sorry. It's year 5.
    Then by your definition I have yet to see a "prolific" offense. And yes I agree Flacco needs to step up his game. If he wants to be elite he needs to take over this offense and nudge Cam aside. Too much coddling being done in my opinon. That's why part of me wants to see what Flacco looks like without Cam on the sidelines next year. Then we will know who's holding who back.




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    Re: The Ravens approached the offense the wrong way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    Chip Kelley would probably go to a head coaching position, I doubt he'd settle for coordinator after building a powerhouse college football program.
    Kelly is on my short list, but the more I've read about him and thought about the scenario, the more I think that it's highly unlikely that he would want to come here and be an OC. After all, he had an HC job at TB, but he turned it down.

    In short, Kelly is extremely organized and runs practices with incredible precision. And based upon his interest in TB, I think he'll go to a young team, young QB and an owner that stays out of his way for the most part. He's also going to want dynamic skill players on offense. Also, before Oregon, all of this coaching experience was on the east coast.

    So looking at all the under-performing teams, offensive talent and probable vacancies; Kelly should be a good git in PHI if Reid finally gets fired. If not, then SD, or he stays at Oregon for another year.




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    Re: The Ravens approached the offense the wrong way.

    Weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Cam is here to stay UNLESS we begin losing big time. I don't want him here, but he has the record on his side. With Cam (or despite him) we have won a lot of games.




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    A pretty good read, btw, about how Chip Kelley could revolutionize the NFL:

    http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/men-...revolution-nfl




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    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    Then by your definition I have yet to see a "prolific" offense. And yes I agree Flacco needs to step up his game. If he wants to be elite he needs to take over this offense and nudge Cam aside. Too much coddling being done in my opinon. That's why part of me wants to see what Flacco looks like without Cam on the sidelines next year. Then we will know who's holding who back.
    Bullshit. They tried to cut him loose with this hurry up no huddle and he proved incapable. We tried to run the offense at Patriot-speed (Flacco's own words) and he failed. Because he can't process information that quickly. He's not good at diagnoising disguised zone coverages and blitz packages. He's not even good at identifying the simplest hot routes (remember the Troy Polamalu play???). If anything he's being coddled because that's when he succeeds best.

    For years we've heard "He needs to be in shotgun no huddle to succeed!!" and why? Becasue he played in that offense in college? Because we had success, at home, in a no huddle against a terrible Bengals defense? Or a terrible Cardinals offense last year?




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    Bullshit. They tried to cut him loose with this hurry up no huddle and he proved incapable. We tried to run the offense at Patriot-speed (Flacco's own words) and he failed. Because he can't process information that quickly. He's not good at diagnoising disguised zone coverages and blitz packages. He's not even good at identifying the simplest hot routes (remember the Troy Polamalu play???). If anything he's being coddled because that's when he succeeds best.

    For years we've heard "He needs to be in shotgun no huddle to succeed!!" and why? Becasue he played in that offense in college? Because we had success, at home, in a no huddle against a terrible Bengals defense? Or a terrible Cardinals offense last year?
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    I get it. You're a flacco hater. Thanks




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    Re: The Ravens approached the offense the wrong way.

    Not a hater, just stating the obvious. He's an average QB on a team with an average offense. They tried to give him more than he could handle and had to rein it in. It isn't the first time that it's happened by the way.

    And the ironic part is for all the hemming and hawing about how Cam "abandoned the run too early" in Houston it was acutally Flacco, on the record, stating that he audibled into a lot of those passes from called run plays in the no huddle early on in that game.




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