Dean Pees -- Props or Blame?

**NOLARavenFAN** · 11-05-2012, 11:41 AM

I thought Pees out-schemed the Browns in the second half.....without the defensive adjustments we were going to lose that game. Nice job coach DP.

**Jsmoove** · 11-05-2012, 11:57 AM

I may be in the minority but Pees gets no love from me with a 28th rank defense.

**DrUnk** · 11-05-2012, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

I may be in the minority but Pees gets no love from me with a 28th rank defense.

+1

**PurpleApocalypse37** · 11-05-2012, 12:02 PM

Well, we probably would have won either way. Aside from the texans game, the Ravens offense ALWAYS scores a touchdown when they NEED to, and never anytime else.

**HoustonRaven** · 11-05-2012, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

I may be in the minority but Pees gets no love from me with a 28th rank defense.

+2

He gets a pat on the back from me for his squad not giving up a TD but this as far as I go.

There are still serious issues on defense, namely lack of blitzing and an effective pass rush.

**NOLARavenFAN** · 11-05-2012, 12:31 PM

We haven't got the horses right now guys......we are lucky we are where we are.

**wickedsolo** · 11-05-2012, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by NOLARavenFAN

We haven't got the horses right now guys......we are lucky we are where we are.

I disagree.

Losing Redding and JJ is a big deal, no doubt, but a majority of this defense was here last year and almost every current starter was a starter last year and/or played a significant amount.

Pees just isn't using the guys like Pags did. Plain and simple.

Case and point: The secondary. What looked like a strong press-man unit last year has quickly turned into a unit that gives up 8-10 yards a pop because the corners are playing so far off the receiver.

I thought the D stepped up nicely in the 2nd half yesterday, but it was also against the Browns and a QB who refused to throw it to his 1st read almost every snap. I don't know if you guys caught any of the commentary or not, but they were flipping out regarding how Brandon Weeden was literally passing over guys like Massequoi and Watson who were uncovered underneath on SEVERAL plays. If the Browns had a QB who could spread it around effectively, that likely would have been a very different game.

On the plus side, I will say that Jimmy Smith did a nice job on Massequoi and Greg Little because those guys didn't even register a reception IIRC. They pretty much picked on Cary Williams.

Frankly, I agree with Smoove on this one. The 28th ranked defense is nothing to be pleased about and a lot of it is because of Pees.

**DonNMass** · 11-05-2012, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I disagree.

Losing Redding and JJ is a big deal, no doubt, but a majority of this defense was here last year and almost every current starter was a starter last year and/or played a significant amount.

Pees just isn't using the guys like Pags did. Plain and simple.

Case and point: The secondary. What looked like a strong press-man unit last year has quickly turned into a unit that gives up 8-10 yards a pop because the corners are playing so far off the receiver.

I thought the D stepped up nicely in the 2nd half yesterday, but it was also against the Browns and a QB who refused to throw it to his 1st read almost every snap. I don't know if you guys caught any of the commentary or not, but they were flipping out regarding how Brandon Weeden was literally passing over guys like Massequoi and Watson who were uncovered underneath on SEVERAL plays. If the Browns had a QB who could spread it around effectively, that likely would have been a very different game.

On the plus side, I will say that Jimmy Smith did a nice job on Massequoi and Greg Little because those guys didn't even register a reception IIRC. They pretty much picked on Cary Williams.

Frankly, I agree with Smoove on this one. The 28th ranked defense is nothing to be pleased about and a lot of it is because of Pees.

Shouldn't be a slight to Pees to note that he's bringing to the Ravens exactly what his track record and NE style defense advertised prior to his hire. The real questrion is why the Ravens would want his style of D coaching. He's just being the same Pees we knew he was and somehow to expect somethng else is confusing.

**Jsmoove** · 11-05-2012, 12:44 PM

NOLA you are right, but at the same time where is the creativity? When Del rio had the jags yea they were a bad team but their defense was pretty solid, he had lemons and squeezed alot out of nothing. there's no creativity, no aggressive nature, no stunts, no confusion just a plain scheme, its eerily similar to mattisons defense.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 11-05-2012, 12:45 PM

here we go...

**Corey** · 11-05-2012, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

NOLA you are right, but at the same time where is the creativity? When Del rio had the jags yea they were a bad team but their defense was pretty solid, he had lemons and squeezed alot out of nothing. there's no creativity, no aggressive nature, no stunts, no confusion just a plain scheme, its eerily similar to mattisons defense.

It really is amazing that you can take virtually the same defense and they fall from top 5 to bottom 5. Our talent might not be as good as it was in it's hey day but damn man, it's not that bad. Good coaches find a way to get the most out of their players. Pees is not maximizing the talent on our defense. If we have to have freaking 1st round picks at every position on defense, your NEVER going to be good.

**eddiepoe** · 11-10-2012, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

NOLA you are right, but at the same time where is the creativity? When Del rio had the jags yea they were a bad team but their defense was pretty solid, he had lemons and squeezed alot out of nothing. there's no creativity, no aggressive nature, no stunts, no confusion just a plain scheme, its eerily similar to mattisons defense.

I agree.