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11-05-2012, 01:31 AM #109
Re: Steelers taking it to the Giants
Trying to be somewhat objective here, but rather than constantly blame Cam for a lot of the offensive ineptitude we have seen, shouldn't Flacco shoulder a lot of the blame for not following though more on his progressions, for example - he seems to 'lock in' on his receivers a lot; try making plays out of nothing - Ben improvises more often than not, and is quite successful....just wondering? Also, it irks me that he does not spend time studying the opposing team's alignments and stratedy during times when he is not on the field; I notice many of the 'elite' QBs do this all of the time. It might also help if Joe showed some 'fire' on the field - it seems like both our O (and D) play without any apparent emotion, except, of course, when they are getting flagged for many of their 'after play' shenanigans. Sorry for making this a bash Flacco post.
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11-05-2012, 01:57 AM #110
Re: Steelers taking it to the Giants
Flacco unfortunately doesn't have the footspeed to get outside the tackles when the pass rush has already started to close in. He can do it, if he's already in the shotgun, or when it's a designed rollout, which begs the question, why isn't Cam & Harbs using designed rollouts this season? They worked against the Pats in the AFC championship game.
And Joe can't go through his progressions when his receivers are running patterns that take 4+ seconds and the pass protection breaks down in less than 4 seconds.
I agree with you that it doesn't seem that Joe is involved enough on the sidelines, but that begs the question, why isn't the coaching staff taking the initiative and getting him involved?
As for Flacco's demeanor, we have seen him fired up when the team is winning, or within striking distance, but when everything is going wrong, especially with the offense, Flacco just stoically resigns himself to what seems to be the inevitable. But Flacco's not the only one--pretty much the entire offense reacts this way. So, that brings up the question: Could it be the players know that if the gameplan's not working, then adjustments are probably not going to made in time to make a difference, so why should they bother to keep fighting the inevitable? How much faith do the offensive players have in Cam? You'd hear the players praising Pagano, but you never hear anyone praise Cam...other than Harbaugh.
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Re: Steelers taking it to the Giants
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11-05-2012, 07:23 AM #112Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: Steelers taking it to the Giants
This last paragraph is what I saw during the Houston game. Does the offense have an issue with Cam and possibly Flacco considering they may have a problem agreeing on the call playing.Is Flacco becoming to big for his britches, meaning that his ego is pissing off Cam and other players on the offense. Possibly because of his contract that needs to be done.
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11-05-2012, 08:12 AM #113Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Steelers taking it to the Giants
Eli had a bad game last week too @Dallas. Yes, at one point the score was 23-0 but those were off of Dallas' turnovers and a bazillion field goals.
Eli's QBR in that game? A glowing 48.2. That's not his only bad game either. He stunk it up in his first game against Philly and Dallas.Last edited by Jay D83; 11-05-2012 at 08:19 AM.
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11-05-2012, 08:54 AM #114
Re: Steelers taking it to the Giants
The Steelers defense figured out the Giants especially in the second half. The key to them playing well has been their defensive line imo. The old veterans (Hampton and Keisel) are holding up which is what the Ravens guys aren't doing.
The Steelers have played well the last four games but have also had a bit of luck (see the Eagles game) like the Ravens. At this point they have no more than maybe two more losses in them. The Ravens simply have to either keep pace or sweep them. They have really only have two true road games left because the Slurs game in going to be an M&T South reunion and Cincy is hopefully going to be ready to go home and Marvin probably moving on.
We'll see.
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11-05-2012, 09:12 AM #115
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Re: Steelers taking it to the Giants
When you win 2 Super Bowls you're going to get a pass for some bad games.
It was very interesting watching the Falcons last night because lack of respect for the team and Ryan was the theme. At the start of the game Tony Gonzales said that the Falcons need to win in the playoffs and go to the Super Bowl before they've accomplished anything. At the end of the game Ryan said that 8-0 doesn't mean they've earned any respect. Eli and Ben have had more than their fair share of bad games over the years but those Super Bowls wins make their perception very different from that of Ryan and Flacco.
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11-05-2012, 09:32 AM #116Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Steelers taking it to the Giants
This is what I'd call a lack of "luck".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0fpONkw6yk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIH-GrnnPVM
If any of those plays goes they way they should have, we're probably having a much different argument and could be talking about at least ONE Super Bowl win for Joe Flacco. Thats what I'm talking about. Eli is a great QB but just like Joe he craps the bed a few games a year.
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Re: Steelers taking it to the Giants
You may be right, but unfortunately we'll never know. We're operating in reality, and all you can give me is woulda coulda shoulda. Eli has 2 rings, so he gets a pass like someone posted earlier. I'm a fan and I want to see Flacco do well, but he and Eli are not one and the same, despite Flacco being let down on occasion by his team.
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Re: Steelers taking it to the Giants
That's the way it goes sometimes. Eli got the win in Dallas last week when Dez was an 'out of bounds finger' away from the win. They wouldve carried Romo off the field, banged their chest about beating the world champs, but it didn't happen.
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