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11-04-2012, 06:02 PM #13
Re: Did the Ravens make a mistake by not going after Bruce Arians?
I think you've got a point Wicked, i never understood the crap he took in Pittsburgh, i think he's a quality offensive mind.
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11-04-2012, 06:04 PM #14Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Did the Ravens make a mistake by not going after Bruce Arians?
At this point there are VERY few coordinators I wouldn't take over Cam, if any. I think we'd even be better with Joe calling 100% of the plays at the LOS every snap.
Last edited by bmorecareful; 11-04-2012 at 06:15 PM.
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Re: Did the Ravens make a mistake by not going after Bruce Arians?
Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.
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11-04-2012, 06:13 PM #16Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Did the Ravens make a mistake by not going after Bruce Arians?
Pittsburgh fans' problem with Arians was that he was stuck in one mode as well. When their offense struggled, he struggled to get them out of a rut. The fan issues with the two coordinators in question are rather parallel.
The one difference that I will note is that Arians had a much better relationship with Ben Roethlisberger, than Joe Flacco has with Cam Cameron. This is part of the reason why Roethlisberger was so upset with Todd Haley being the replacement. In Pittsburgh, Arians was seen as a 'Yes-man' of sorts, to Ben Roethlisberger. If Ben didn't want them to run a play, it was not run.
So, I will say that Arians probably would have given Joe more of a leash, earlier on. However, he had the same issues with the lack of adjustment that the Ravens have and it's easy for people to forget that the Steelers, in recent years, have won many of their games in similar fashion to the Ravens. Their offense struggled to put up points. Their defense kept them in games. If it was a one score game with three minutes or less on the clock, Ben could win it.
To be honest, they threw it, because Ben wanted to throw it and Arians didn't do much to stand against that philosophy. Mike Tomlin, who is similar to John Harbaugh in this regard, trusts his coordinators and is more hands off with the offense and defense.
So, I don't think that Arians would have been an upgrade in that regard.Last edited by The Excellector; 11-04-2012 at 07:27 PM.
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Re: Did the Ravens make a mistake by not going after Bruce Arians?
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11-04-2012, 06:26 PM #20Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Did the Ravens make a mistake by not going after Bruce Arians?
I agree that Arians had major problems with in-game adjustments, but I think he would still be an upgrade over Cam simply in that Arians actually had a fully developed, modern playbook that used the entire route tree with a number of different play concepts.
Cam's playbook is missing huge sections of the modern NFL passing system--entire route concepts that simply aren't there. Any OC that uses a complete NFL playbook is an upgrade over Cam.
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Re: Did the Ravens make a mistake by not going after Bruce Arians?
Deciding to keep Cam was the big mistake. Getting rid of him is step 1
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Re: Did the Ravens make a mistake by not going after Bruce Arians?
Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.
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11-04-2012, 07:02 PM #23
Re: Did the Ravens make a mistake by not going after Bruce Arians?
Arians has one huge advantage going for him: he is NOT Cam.
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Re: Did the Ravens make a mistake by not going after Bruce Arians?
I can roll with that. Whenever we see modern tactics in our passing offense, it's so rare that we refer to it as creativity. In reality, it's only what the vast majority of current teams run.
It's not so much the system that is behind the times. Detroit passed for over 5,000 yards out of a Coryell based system, if I am not mistaken, and their rush offense was subpar. Cameron's running of the system is behind the times.
He seems like a true extension of Marty Schottenheimer, which shouldn't surprise anyone."Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore
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