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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem



    Quote Originally Posted by redmike34 View Post
    Thought this was interesting...

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/pos...ball-from-rice

    Pertinent part: "Offensive coordinator Cam Cameron suggested that one reason Ray Rice isn't getting the ball is because quarterback Joe Flacco is changing running plays to passing ones at the line of scrimmage..."
    He also checks into running plays a lot as well, so I'm not sure that article is entirely accurate.
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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    He also checks into running plays a lot as well, so I'm not sure that article is entirely accurate.
    The cynic in me says that checking into running plays doesn't give him much opportunity to justify a big contract for himself. In any event, you may be right--Rice only has nine fewer rushing attempts through seven games this year as opposed to last year, which is less than a 10% difference. I just pointed this out to illustrate that Cam may not be as completely responsible for playcalling as many here seem to believe. Which does not excuse him from responsibility for play design, however...




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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Typical Cam Cameron. Passive-aggressively blame the players--it's all about execution, communication on the field, blah blah blah. He's absolved of any responsibility--the plays are fantastic, each one is perfect, the problems come from not the PLAYERS not executing them, not communicating them, or audibling out of them.

    By the way, wasn't it just last offseason that we were complaining that Joe either didn't have enough freedom to audible or wasn't smart enough to audible out of a bad play to a better one? Now the problem is he's audibling TOO much?

    I didn't hear Flacco calling many audibles at all against Houston, but he's been great reading the defense and making adjustments pre-snap thus far, in fact it's possibly the biggest improvement in his game. If the defense was crowding the box with 8 or 9 I have no problem with him checking out to a pass. The only problem is they have to have a GOOD play to check into, not a terrible one, and yes they do have to execute it correctly.




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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    There is more on that in LFW:

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/...6-9cceb34fbc8e

    I think it is time that some of the blame for the offensive play calling shifts to Flacco. We know Cam. We know Cam will run the ball 50 times a game if he could, he's done it here in Baltimore before. This sudden shift to throwing it 50 times a game can't be all him it's not his style. Part of this has to be Flacco.

    That's not to say Cam is blameless, he needs a new scheme. This one is outdated.

    *Also interesting photo of Flacco just below that story. LMAO. You'll never guess who it came from..... Or maybe you will.
    I've been saying this for a while but if folks feel better making Cam the scapegoat then they'll do it. Heard them on SiriusNFL today talking about QBs and the presnap read. Brady, Eli and some of the best and how they make the adjustments. Then named a few (Vick) who still can't do it. I think Flacco struggles with it at times
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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    As I have said repeatedly give Cam 8 months to prepare for a game (the 2011 opener against the Steelers and the 2012 opener against the Bengals for example) and Cam can't be beat. So as long as the Ravens can work in 8 month byes between games we're OK. Anything less that that Cam has a real problem.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens44 View Post
    Don't worry guys!
    After all the years of being a coach, Cam just figured out that there is noise at away games.
    During last offseason, Cam watched film and noticed that Joe is good in the no-huddle.
    Which means it only took 4 years for him to notice that about Joe.

    So, given enough years, he will figure everything out.
    Any year now he will figure out that if the receivers have designed routes to get them open, then they will have separation no matter how fast they are and Joe can throw for 350 yards a game.
    I'm patiently waiting for that ah-HA moment...but I will probably lose all my hair and teeth by then...




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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    He also checks into running plays a lot as well, so I'm not sure that article is entirely accurate.
    Right. No matter whether he is checking into a run or a pass they are still Cam's plays. And, as it has been said over and over and over and over by nearly every analyst under the sun, Cam's plays are not suited to today's NFL.

    As though that weren't enough, defenses seem to be in Cam's head. When he calls slants, defenses rush 3 or 4 and drop everyone else into coverage. When he calls longer routes, defenses send pressure and Flacco doesn't have enough time to find the open guy/the WRs don't have the time to get open. Defenses have a spy on RR most of the time, so screen to him are largely ineffective. And, against the Texans, he called a number of WR screens, but with the exception of Doss' TD, they were all batted down at the line.

    Part of me thinks that if they were more effective running the ball out of the shotgun they'd be more multiple. It's fine to have the personnel to run the no-huddle and switch between being under center and in the gun from play to play, but generally when they go I-form, we know it's run or play-action. If they go shotgun, it's going to be a pass more often than not.

    They can't continue to be so predictable.




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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Some of you guys are just amazing. Common sense takes a back seat to your agendas. Which is to put ALL the blame on the OC and belittle the QB'S influence on this offense and it's issues. Bottom line is that the QB has the final say on what play is called. Fact ,there are run plays called initially and they are sometimes changed at the line of scrimmage. So when you complain about pass vs run ratios, your bias for the OC and your love for the QB, makes some ignore that reality. What you can pin to the OC directly is the package /personnel on the field. Is Leach on the field enough is a fair complaint. Also let me help a member who is passionate about getting rid of the OC and making excuses for certain players. When discussing the input of a vet QB, this member is under the impression that the vet QB can ONLY choose from a list of plays designed ONLY by the OC. That's not how the NFL works. In year 1, 2 maybe. But after that the conversation is ( from OC to QB) " what do you want to add....", "what routes do you want to implement", "how do you want to attack...". This is the evolution of the OC to the franchise QB relationship as they spend seasons together. No OC is going to throw a playbook at vet QB and tell him to " Pick some of MY plays that you like and keep your opinions to yourself". If you believe otherwise it's because you need to think that way to boost your argument.

    This is basic stuff folks.




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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    I've been saying this for a while but if folks feel better making Cam the scapegoat then they'll do it. Heard them on SiriusNFL today talking about QBs and the presnap read. Brady, Eli and some of the best and how they make the adjustments. Then named a few (Vick) who still can't do it. I think Flacco struggles with it at times
    Pre- and post-snap reads are definitely something I think we are clearly worse at than the top passing offenses. Of course I also think our plays themselves are undeniably more simple and predictable than these top offenses. Which is why I think it is fair to spread the blame around when it comes to our too-often inept passing attack.

    Cam would do better with a more learned or mentally-quick QB, and Flacco would do better with more dynamic and creative plays to choose from. Combined and we can see some serious stagnation against decent teams and/or typical road game adversity.




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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Quote Originally Posted by RavingMad View Post
    . When discussing the input of a vet QB, this member is under the impression that the vet QB can ONLY choose from a list of plays designed ONLY by the OC. That's not how the NFL works. In year 1, 2 maybe. But after that the conversation is ( from OC to QB) " what do you want to add....", "what routes do you want to implement", "how do you want to attack...". This is the evolution of the OC to the franchise QB relationship as they spend seasons together. No OC is going to throw a playbook at vet QB and tell him to " Pick some of MY plays that you like and keep your opinions to yourself". If you believe otherwise it's because you need to think that way to boost your argument.

    This is basic stuff folks.
    Yet again that is saying that CAM does this. Players that have worked with him in the past say diffrent. They say that CAM does not do it. It is Cam's way or no way at all.




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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Not saying Flacco don't change some plays, but c'mon folks. Cam is the OC not Joe. If Cam doesn't like what Joe is doing he makes the changes and tells him to take all commands from the tower (Cam) and calls the plays. If Joe is blowing off his boss and doing his own thing, well we have bigger issues.




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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Quote Originally Posted by goodandfast View Post
    Right. No matter whether he is checking into a run or a pass they are still Cam's plays. And, as it has been said over and over and over and over by nearly every analyst under the sun, Cam's plays are not suited to today's NFL.

    As though that weren't enough, defenses seem to be in Cam's head. When he calls slants, defenses rush 3 or 4 and drop everyone else into coverage. When he calls longer routes, defenses send pressure and Flacco doesn't have enough time to find the open guy/the WRs don't have the time to get open. Defenses have a spy on RR most of the time, so screen to him are largely ineffective. And, against the Texans, he called a number of WR screens, but with the exception of Doss' TD, they were all batted down at the line.

    Part of me thinks that if they were more effective running the ball out of the shotgun they'd be more multiple. It's fine to have the personnel to run the no-huddle and switch between being under center and in the gun from play to play, but generally when they go I-form, we know it's run or play-action. If they go shotgun, it's going to be a pass more often than not.

    They can't continue to be so predictable.
    WHAT??!!! Other teams LOOK at what the Ravens are doing and can figure it out?!!!
    THE HELL YOU SAY!!!!
    It doesn't matter...if the play doesn't work, just run it again and again and again.
    I'm sure, eventually the opposing team will think, "SURELY they aren't going to run THAT PLAY AGAIN", and then trick them by running it AGAIN!!!

    It wasn't ENOUGH for everyone to hear the words out of the Houston's defensive players after the Divisional playoff game, how vanilla our offense was, that we can't figure out why every team in the league can figure our offense out, too.

    Our players have simply had to be superior and execute perfectly every play which is impossible.
    It is very hard to beat your opposition physically every play when they know what you are running.
    That the team has made it to 4 playoffs shows how gifted these guys are.




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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Quote Originally Posted by RavingMad View Post
    Some of you guys are just amazing. Common sense takes a back seat to your agendas. Which is to put ALL the blame on the OC and belittle the QB'S influence on this offense and it's issues. Bottom line is that the QB has the final say on what play is called. Fact ,there are run plays called initially and they are sometimes changed at the line of scrimmage. So when you complain about pass vs run ratios, your bias for the OC and your love for the QB, makes some ignore that reality. What you can pin to the OC directly is the package /personnel on the field. Is Leach on the field enough is a fair complaint. Also let me help a member who is passionate about getting rid of the OC and making excuses for certain players. When discussing the input of a vet QB, this member is under the impression that the vet QB can ONLY choose from a list of plays designed ONLY by the OC. That's not how the NFL works. In year 1, 2 maybe. But after that the conversation is ( from OC to QB) " what do you want to add....", "what routes do you want to implement", "how do you want to attack...". This is the evolution of the OC to the franchise QB relationship as they spend seasons together. No OC is going to throw a playbook at vet QB and tell him to " Pick some of MY plays that you like and keep your opinions to yourself". If you believe otherwise it's because you need to think that way to boost your argument.

    This is basic stuff folks.
    And how do you know Cam does this? He's known for being pretty stubborn and not wanting anyone messing with his offense, so I'm not sure he does.




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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Corey-
    I laughed/snorted when I saw that picture, and continue to clean my PC's monitor!

    The question I have is -
    Is Joltin' Joe trying to look like a "playah", or just droppin' a deuce on the clubhouse floor???




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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    And why is he just now talking about trying to fix it?


    That was my first thought also
    Makes some sense that comm is an issue, but WTF? It took a bye week to figure this out?
    Personally if I were Cam I would not have talked about this issue till after I used it to my advantage by burning Cleveland a on a few plays by switching things up....thats just me though
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    Re: Cam says the Ravens have a "comm" problem

    Back that old Titanic up Cam and have another go at the iceberg!



    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenous1 View Post


    That was my first thought also
    Makes some sense that comm is an issue, but WTF? It took a bye week to figure this out?
    Personally if I were Cam I would not have talked about this issue till after I used it to my advantage by burning Cleveland a on a few plays by switching things up....thats just me though




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