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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense



    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Connor Barwin is on my short list for FA pick ups next season.
    He will be a Texan IMO, unless they feel the need to re do watts deal 2 years in... They don't have any big name free agents to re sign this year unlike last year when they had 5 or 6.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Connor Barwin is on my short list for FA pick ups next season.
    Bet Indy goes at him hard.




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    I really do not see a huge need for OLB. Suggs will be back at 100% and Upshaw looks to be locking down the SAM spot. At MOST I think they could do with a 3rd down/nickel rush guy like what Kruger was last year, but why sign Barwin to a big contract to do that? I think it'd be better to spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a high-upside guy to develop into a future starter and let him get his feet wet only playing in pass rush situations. (Essentially, what they SHOULD have done with Kruger from the very beginning.)

    There are more pressing needs when you consider that we literally do not have a starting FS next year without signing Ed Reed, and although it pains me to say it, I do not believe that is the best course of action for this team in 2013 and beyond. We will also be very weak at ILB.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I am totally predicating my vision for 2013 on NOT having Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. That's another viable question--after really thinking hard about it, where do they fit into that picture? Do they fit at all? I would contend they do not. The Ravens have already depended on those two to anchor the defense one year too long.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    He will be a Texan IMO, unless they feel the need to re do watts deal 2 years in... They don't have any big name free agents to re sign this year unlike last year when they had 5 or 6.
    Yeah they do. JJ Watt is a FA after this year and they are looking to back the cash truck up.
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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I really do not see a huge need for OLB. Suggs will be back at 100% and Upshaw looks to be locking down the SAM spot. At MOST I think they could do with a 3rd down/nickel rush guy like what Kruger was last year, but why sign Barwin to a big contract to do that? I think it'd be better to spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a high-upside guy to develop into a future starter and let him get his feet wet only playing in pass rush situations. (Essentially, what they SHOULD have done with Kruger from the very beginning.)

    There are more pressing needs when you consider that we literally do not have a starting FS next year without signing Ed Reed, and although it pains me to say it, I do not believe that is the best course of action for this team in 2013 and beyond. We will also be very weak at ILB.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I am totally predicating my vision for 2013 on NOT having Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. That's another viable question--after really thinking hard about it, where do they fit into that picture? Do they fit at all? I would contend they do not. The Ravens have already depended on those two to anchor the defense one year too long.
    dont we have too many holes to release them both.

    We nee two dline men, possibly an olb depending on Kruger. We will need at least one ilb, and one cb with Cary going. We will need IMO at least one oline man depending on what way they shuffle it.

    If we let go of ed and ray that's another two positions we need to fill. That's a lot of holes.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Yeah they do. JJ Watt is a FA after this year and they are looking to back the cash truck up.
    is he not only in the second year of his deal?

    He signed a four year deal, so has two years after this remaining. And wasn't it part of the cba that you can't renegotiate the new rookie deals?




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    is he not only in the second year of his deal?

    He signed a four year deal, so has two years after this remaining. And wasn't it part of the cba that you can't renegotiate the new rookie deals?
    You're correct. My bad.

    They are up against the cap next year though. Not sure they are going to be able to afford Barwin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    dont we have too many holes to release them both.

    We nee two dline men, possibly an olb depending on Kruger. We will need at least one ilb, and one cb with Cary going. We will need IMO at least one oline man depending on what way they shuffle it.

    If we let go of ed and ray that's another two positions we need to fill. That's a lot of holes.
    First of all, Ed is an FA, so it's not "letting him go." He's gone, the question is does he represent the best use of the money we'll need to spend on a replacement (or is it better to use an early draft pick on a rookie starter?) I would contend he does not. If I'm wrong, I'd be happy to be wrong. Ed Reed is my all-time favorite Raven, but I just don't think he should be back next year.

    Ray Lewis is under contract, but he doesn't come all that cheaply and he's not one of the best at his position anymore. I can see the argument for keeping him, and if he wants to come back the Ravens will probably have him back, but he's not the solution at the position, not at all. They need to address ILB one of these years and they're already a few years too late.

    I really don't see a huge problem at CB. Webb should be back at full strength, and Jimmy Smith will surely be given at least another year. They like Chykie Brown, Corey Graham is locked up for a few more years as a solid #3 option, and they just drafted Asa Jackson. I don't see them doing all that much at CB.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Yeah they do. JJ Watt is a FA after this year and they are looking to back the cash truck up.
    Watt signed a 2 year deal as a rookie?
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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Watt signed a 2 year deal as a rookie?
    see my correction .... arnie was right.
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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    First of all, Ed is an FA, so it's not "letting him go." He's gone, the question is does he represent the best use of the money we'll need to spend on a replacement (or is it better to use an early draft pick on a rookie starter?) I would contend he does not. If I'm wrong, I'd be happy to be wrong. Ed Reed is my all-time favorite Raven, but I just don't think he should be back next year.

    Ray Lewis is under contract, but he doesn't come all that cheaply and he's not one of the best at his position anymore. I can see the argument for keeping him, and if he wants to come back the Ravens will probably have him back, but he's not the solution at the position, not at all. They need to address ILB one of these years and they're already a few years too late.

    I really don't see a huge problem at CB. Webb should be back at full strength, and Jimmy Smith will surely be given at least another year. They like Chykie Brown, Corey Graham is locked up for a few more years as a solid #3 option, and they just drafted Asa Jackson. I don't see them doing all that much at CB.
    I know he's a free agent, was just laziness on my part and said let go for them both, instead of not resigning ed and cutting ray.

    No need to get picky...

    I know they need to eventually replace both, I'd just like to have to put that off a year and do it next season. I actually thought that last year as I don't think we would have to many holes to fill this draft, funny how that works eh.

    I thought Cody would step up and improve again, he hasn't, I thought we'd resign redding, we didn't, I then thought between McPhee and jones they'd do ok, they haven't.

    I thought our biggest needs would be ilb, lt and fs this draft only a few months ago, and its hard to hit on a lt picking late. So that left me with truly believing if we someone managed to get a teo and Jefferson or Eric Reid and skov with our first two picks we'd be set on defence and ray and ed could be let go without much worry.




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    I think we need to rip the band-aid right the hell off.
    If we have holes then just fill them with what you got and what you can get...2nd and 3rd tier FAs, UDFAs, and our 11 draft picks.
    You waffle on hard decisions then hard times will surely endure.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Safetys aren't hard to get in FA these days, I don't see us going early on a safety unless it's a guy the Ravens really like. I see the early part of the draft being nothing but reloading the front 7. Manti Teo needs to be the first guy on that board, but if he's gone, it has to be either NT or 5 technique DE and there are plenty of them in this draft, second round can be on a CJ Moseley type ILB. I think 3rd round, you need to invest in another Dlineman, who is more of a raw project.

    Right now, I'm hoping for this kind of draft for the Ravens.

    1st round- Manti Teo(ILB, Notre Dame, 6'2 255 lbs)
    Alternative picks: John Jenkins (NT, Georgia, 6'3, 351 lbs), Sheldon Richardson (DT/DE, Missouri, 6'4 295 lbs), Kawann Short (DT, Purdue, 6'3 310 lbs), Louis Nix (DT/NT/DE, Notre Dame, 6'5 324 lbs).

    2nd round- Jesse Williams (DT/NT/DE, Alabama, 6'4 320 lbs)
    Alternative picks: CJ Moseley (ILB/OLB, Alabama, 6'2 234 lbs), Chase Thomas (ILB/OLB, Stanford, 6'4 245 lbs), Shayne Skov (ILB/OLB, Stanford, 6'3 243 lbs), Alec Ogletree (ILB, Georgia, 6'3 236 lbs), Larry Warford (OG, Kentucky, 6'3 340 lbs), Alex Hurst (OT, LSU, 6'6 340 lbs).

    3rd round- Daniel McCullers (NT, Tennesee, 6'8 360 lbs)
    Alternative picks: Kwame Geathers (NT, Georgia, 6'6 350 lbs), Kevin Riddick (ILB, North Carolina, 6'3 240 lbs), Michael Mauti (ILB, Penn state, 6'2, 339 lbs), Magnus Hunt (DE/DT, SMU, 6'8 280 lbs), Khaled Holmes (OC, USC, 6'4 305 lbs), Mario Benavides (OC, Louiseville, 6'4 300 lbs), Bacarri Rambo (FS/SS, Georgia, 6'0 218 lbs), Shawn Williams (FS/SS, Georgia, 6'1 217 lbs), Tyrann Mathieu (FS/CB, LSU but suspended for the year, 5'9 175 lbs), Duke Williams (FS/SS, Nevada, 6'1 200 lbs), Travis Howard (CB, Ohio state, 6'1 195 lbs).


    Potential big FA signings:
    Connor Bawrin (OLB/DE, Houston), Daryl Smith (OLB/ILB, Jacksonville), Cliff Avril (DE, Detroit), Jerome Bushrod (OT, New Orleans), Andy Levitre (OG, Buffalo), Lance Louis (OG, Chicago), Antoine Caldwell (OG, Houston), Sebastian Vollmer (OT, New England), Ryan Lilija (OG, Kansas city), Brandon Moore (OG, New York Jets), Jason Jones (DT/DE, Seattle), Henri Melton (DT/DE, Chicago), Glenn Dorsey (DE/DT, Kansas city), Erin Henderson (ILB/OLB, Minnesota), Anthony Spencer (OLB/DE, Dallas), Kenny Phillips (FS/SS, New York Giants), Jarius Byrd (FS/SS, Buffalo), Patrick Chung (FS/SS, New England), LeRon Landry (SS, New York Jets), Brent Grimes (CB, Atlanta), Michael Jenkins (CB, Dallas), Martellus Bennett (TE, New York Giants), Dwayne Bowe (WR, Kansas city), Greg Jennings (WR, Green Bay Packers), Mike Wallace (WR, Pittsburgh).

    Basically I think this offseason is going to be all about the trenches and becoming a physical football team again.




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    Doestnt look like we will have much cap space so we'll likely have to fill thru the draft mostly and try to find some bargains. With Terrance Knighton no longer a starter in Jacksonville i wonder what his price tag would be like, i think he'd fit our D alot better but i also havent seen them this year so i'm not sure of his current level of play.

    I think the biggest question would be who do we axe to get some breathing room, not sure of the cap ramifications but i know Mcclain's cap number is 4.2 mill, Birk's is 3.4 and Boldin's is 7.5...they'd seem like prime candidates imo.




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    Man Leach, you really nailed the draft!




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